I'd guess you can think about language poetry as a product of hyper-specialization . I'd be even more sure of guessing that language poetry itself would never have happened without the preceding rise of LitCrit in in US academia.

Maybe Geoffrey Hill was the English equivalent of language poetry?! (that may be a joke - although hyper sensitivity to irony?? Hmmm)

On 9 October 2017 at 04:48, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Well, I wonder what the language poets think about the instagram poets, which may be something to do with irony? I dare say it depends on their involvement within their own context. But then, what are the former? A hyper sensitivity to ironic mimesis?

All very interesting for me to wonder about.

Cheers!

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hey, hope it's OK to bump this. 

I saw the following article in the guardian, this week, about new poetry sales. It quite lamentably cites eminem as a precursor ha. I've an artist friend, who is constantly complaining about the YBA's and sensationalism etc., and he feels proved right about poetry, that Goldsmith is in effect a herald of the end of poetry, as with cocneptual art in the 60s (he often says that poetry "lags behind").

I just wondered if anyone had any idea how Heaney's incredible commercial success could fit with that  narrative.

I'm an optimist, and think good poetry lives for as long as it is written  etc.

Cheers,

Luke

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Muldoon takes classes at the Uni I'm at. Over the summer, he did an interview with PJ Harvey, where they talked about song writing. Audidence was large, maybe over 400. I didn't think it was a disaster, at all. Muldoon read Excitable Boy from '76

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJefPK_UkdM

Agreed that the song lyrics you posted are a bit conflicted.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:52 PM, David Lace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

CREAM RISES TO THE TOP: NOT! (Part I) Heaney acolyte slammed

"Well, maybe sometimes. But shit, does it piss you off as much as it does me to see so much mediocrity or just un-interesting crap being canonized? Last week’s New York Times Magazine had an article on the Irish poet Paul Muldoon, about how he’s the next Seamus Heaney (The Irish Nobel-winning poet), and in passing commented on his rock band Racket and compared his lyrics to Van Morrison’s as well as “Gershwin or Cole Porter” (I assume the writer meant Ira G.) and then quoted some that fell so short of that mark, they were like lines from a junior high show off self-consciously proving how clever he can be:

“You may buckle your sword and sandals
To fight off the Goths and Vandals
Now they’ve dented your chrome
Just don’t sit around to count the cost
Of every shiny thing you’ve lost
Back in the catacombs
Do what you must when you’re in Rome
Just don’t try this at home.” "


http://lallysalley.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/cream-rises-to-top-not-part-i.html