Well, I’m with Andrew re Larkin, though taken for what they are his best poems do work.
Unlike Lawrence (& admitting how wrong & hateful his politics were), I happily admit to having learned much from him, then WIllias, & then the New American Poets, as they were called, along with the important Canadian ones (most especially Phyllis Webb; & then certain contemporaries working the same writing ground as I was trying to).
And then we never stop learning? A lot of others, like, say, Susan Howe (even if I never can wrote like her, I learn a lot from how she does it).
And of course a remark like this leaves so much out...
Doug
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:05 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> a bit
>
> I picked this up from someone whose name I forget who announced he is
> Jew-ish
>
> L
>
> On 12 September 2017 at 08:55, Patrick McManus <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Ish??? my poor old head trying to decipher this is that I is? or ish a
>> bit? or other
>>
>>
>> On 11/09/2017 23:42, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>>
>>> Ish
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>> On 11 September 2017 at 23:13, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I'm shocked, Patrick, as an old leftie too. I have liked seeing the
>>>> world through Larkin's jaundiced eyes but I didn't realise the apparent
>>>> corollary of that sort of jaundice. Lawrence, are you an Ezra P man at
>>>> all?
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 at 5:38 am, Patrick McManus <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> L am proud to be old leftie! still care etc cheers P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/09/2017 19:21, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well, yes
>>>>>> though I wouldn't quite put it like that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> classifying oneself as an old leftie is almost apologetic to my ear
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't require artists to hold views akin to mine to admire them as
>>>>>>
>>>>> artists
>>>>>
>>>>>> but it seems to me that his views are ignorant and wrong-headed AND
>>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>> is nothing much admirable about his poetry as poetry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 September 2017 at 18:59, Patrick McManus <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oldster was meant to be me -thanks for reply I think it difficult for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> me
>>>>
>>>>> old leftie to stomach his repulsive side
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/09/2017 18:49, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which oldster is that? you or him?
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> I have never had much time for Mr Larkin...
>>>>>>>> If other people find him of quality, fine; but I have yet to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>
>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and what he is saying can be repulsive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the final sentence of this article sums it up for me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11 September 2017 at 17:18, Patrick McManus <
>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://socialistreview.org.uk/427/philip-larkin-racist-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bigot-and-poet
>>>>
>>>>> any comments for this oldster ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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