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The HS "chrisming" the Jordan at Christ's baptism would actually be more of a rejection of Arianism, which would claim the HS "chrisming" Jesus in the Jordan, i.e., making Jesus of Nazareth the Christ. 

The Eastern Church might have some different things involved with the Jordan. I am drawing entirely on memory and impression, rather than careful review, at the moment, so take anything with a grain of salt. There is a TON of hymnography related to the Jordan and the Baptism of Christ from the Byzantine world: Theophany is a HUGE feast--second only to Pascha, bigger than than Christmas. There are two blessings of water for Theophany in the temple and then there is also a tradition of blessing various bodies of water [and sending kids in to swim after the cross the bishop tosses out into it, which seems particularly cruel in January, especially in Russia). The hymnography and blessing prayers indicate that the Baptism of Christ sanctifies all water throughout the world [because of the water cycle, the water "atoms" in which Jesus was baptized have been recycled and joined with water throughout the world, in the rivers, seas, snows, clouds, etc.)

St. Basil the Great was baptized in the Jordan at the age of 30--a fairly typical practice among the Christians of Cappadocia at the time according to the Synaxarion. His writings on the Holy Spirit might have some interesting things. There would be commentaries from John Chrysostom and Theophylact of Ochrid. If I remember correctly, I think there might actually be a homily ascribed to Epiphanios of Cyprus for Theophany.

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Is not the bit about the Holy Spirit "chrisming" the River Jordan at Christ's baptism a bit Arian?  

Jim

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From the Patrologia Latina Database:

1. Vol. 57
Maximus Taurinensis:

SANCTI MAXIMI EPISCOPI TAURINENSIS HOMILIAE IN QUATUOR CLASSES DISTRIBUTAE. (C,G,S)* 1194Kb 
Found 1 hit:
CLASSIS PRIMA. HOMILIAE HIEMALES DE TEMPORE. 510Kb
HOMILIA XXIII. De Epiphania Domini VII. 16Kb
In hac, dilectissimi, celebritate, sicut relatu paternae traditionis instruimur, multiplici nobis est [Col.0273A] festivitate laetandum. Ferunt enim hodie Christum Dominum nostrum vel stella duce a gentibus adoratum, vel invitatum ad nuptias aquas in vina vertisse, vel suscepto a Joanne baptismate [H]consecrasse fluenta Jordanis, suumque simul purificasse Baptistam.

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Meg,

No, but i have not looked very far.

Tom

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Thanks Tom, 

This is very interesting because it also seems to pull in another part of my text. Do you happen to know where Richard of Middleton might have gotten it from?

Meg



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Richard of Middleton on the consecration of the waters:

Richard of Middleton, Scriptum super quarto sententiarum (Venice, 1489), sig. n 4ra, “ad hoc vt fit huius sacramenti materia. quam ordinationem Christus instituit suo facto. ad cuiusmodi similitudinem dicitur aquas consecrasse quando fuit baptizatus. eo quod illo facto aquam ordinauit ad hoc vt esset materia sacramenti baptismatis.”

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I wonder if any list-member is aware of homilies, encyclopedia discussions, etc. on the following beliefs concerning the River Jordan, all of which appear in a passage I am translating which contains much derivative material. The rest pf the passage looks like it could also be derived from a homily, or maybe several. I´d be happy to send the entire passage to anyone interested. 

Water in general is important as being involved in Christ's first miracle in which he turned water into wine, thus sanctifying it.


By being baptized in the River Jordan, Christ sanctified all the water in the world, making it suitable for baptizing people anywhere in the world.  This idea appears in fact to be fairly common. My passage maintains that the entire river is holy, not just the spot where Christ was baptized. However, the author will not commit himself how far out to sea the sanctity extends.

However, it is Jordan water that springs forth from the earth in natural water sources such as springs and rivers.  

 

The dove of the Holy Spirit (or sometimes John the Baptist) chrismed the river when Christ was baptized.

 

The River Jordan is the ‘original’ river created in Paradise which subsequently divides into the four rivers named in the Bible

 

Water (presumably because it is all derived from the River Jordan)  is the most noble of the four elements, even more than fire which closely resembles the Holy Trinity

 

Not only does its water purify people in baptism, the water in their bodies purifies them when it emerges as tears of repentance.   It is also the last element to depart the body, as everyone who has seen a corpse can attest. (That last is my source's comment, not mine!)


Many thanks for any suggestions,

Meg


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