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Peter, I said let's not quibble about the terms - we both know what I mean so stop being so awkward. I don't care what the term is, what I do know is what your poetry is and what it is not, whatever words we use for it. I have a pretty good picture of where you are coming from, however contradictory I think it is, and once again will do my level best not to be drawn into a futile attempt to understand it even better. Cheers Tim On 19 Sep 2017, at 18:12, Peter Riley wrote: > and please don't categorise me as late / early / modern / antique / pastoral / pedigree / superannuated or whatever.