On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 9:48 AM, GILES GOODLAND <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

People dip in and out of this list--I've enjoyed your questions so far, but people like to mull and don't always answer.

From: Luke <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]AC.UK
Sent: Saturday, 9 September 2017, 9:44
Subject: Re: What's difficult about that ?

Look I just have no idea, sorry, I'm not cut out for this discussion list.

Cheers,

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:27 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Yeah, having read a bit more, think that subjectivity in Brass is less overwhelmed more unsecured. I suppose that this play of agencies may well "preclude sentiment", I'm not sure. Sorry to go on, just trying to correct myself. Apologies, that no-one wants to join this conversation.

Cheers,
Luke

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Well, I'll ask a Question, and then leave it there, for anyone to reply to, if they so wish.

Does he work preclude sentiment (I think not)? Does it preclude significantion (surely not)?

Cheers,

Luke

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I'm sorry, likely another horrible post. I should find a list for those newer to poetry.

Apologies,
Luke

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I'm reading a book on Prynne, and have often seen it mentioned that Brass is very difficult to read. I think this shows I'm missing something, from reading in general. So to take one example, as I begin to flick through -- Poems. Royal Fern 5

So that the fiat parks by the kerb.

We hear him switch off, he is

dreaming of the void. In time

soup for the father in open green.

I just infer a short narrative about someone stopping their car and getting out. The only unusual elements is "void" and "soup", which seem quite close to me. I just infer that he is walking alone. The whole poem seems to just be about walking, culminating in scene comparing that to a peaceful ("warm") family. This would make some phrases very strange e.g. "singing with it I run" or "Tears streamed down his unlied face", but this can perhaps be linked quite easily to the "Fern" in the title and repetition of 'beads', as according to wikipedia

Onoclea sensibilis, the sensitive fern, also known as the bead fern, is a coarse-textured, medium to large-sized deciduous perennia l fern. The name comes from the observation by early American settlers that it was very sensitive to frost, the fronds dying quickly when first touched by it.

So that seems to make perfect sense! What am I missing, aside from how the poem actually works?

Luke