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In response to Gordon Plumb, I investigated all the stories I could find of people tried for heresy about eucharistic theology.  None I could find were tried (or put to death) for denying transubstantiation.  All I could find were people tried for denying the real presence which is quite a different thing.  A belief in the real presence states that the risen Christ is present in the Eucharist.  Transubstantiation suggests different ways of how that might be so.  My review of these trials is in the article "The Dogma of Transubstantiation in the Middle Ages." Journal of Ecclesiastical History 45 (1994): 11-41.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Sarah Wilkins <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Dear Gary Macy,

thank you very much for your response.
I know the Companion to the Eucharist, but not all of the other sources you mentioned, and am very much looking forward to investigating them for a project of my own.

I did want, in light of your praise of the description in my original post, to state more clearly than I did originally that I didn't write it, but rather was posting anonymously from an article I am editing as part of a volume (with author's permission to get clarity on the issue).
 
I don't want to take credit for work not my own!
I have, however passed along both the sources and your comments to the author.

Thanks again.

Best,
Sarah

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Gary Macy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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First, you are quite correct in assuming that transubstantiation was a theory, or actual a group of theories, about how the risen Christ might be present in the Eucharist.  It was very much,as you describe it, about "the relationship between outside and inside, visible and invisible."

Transubstantiation was not a doctrine in the Middle Ages and not declared to be so by Lateran IV.  I have discussed this all at length in "The Dogma of Transubstantiation in the Middle Ages." Journal of Ecclesiastical History 45 (1994): 11-41.  On the later understanding of transubstantiation, the work of Ian Levy is excellent.  I would suggest 
his ​
John Wyclif's Theology of the Eucharist in Its Medieval Context.  Be sure to use the 2015 edition.  If you don't want to read lots of technical stuff on transubstantiation, the best recent summary of the theology of the Eucharist in the Middle Ages can be found in A Companion to the Eucharist in the Middle Ages (Brill's Companions to the Christian Tradition) edited by Ian Levy, Gary Macy and Kristen Van Ausdall (Brill, 2011).  As some compensation for the dusty theology, the book also discusses art, liturgy, architecture, popular devotion, and even some (but not enough) literature.


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Maija Birenbaum <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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It became doctrine in Lateran IV, 1215.

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On Aug 14, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Sarah Wilkins <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Dear all,

I'm working on editing a volume of essays, and a question of terminology has arisen that I thought perhaps someone here would be able to assist with.

At issue is Transubstantiation in the late medieval era (13th-14th c. Italy specifically)

What would one refer to it as in this period.
It is not officially church doctrine until Trent, correct? But calling it a "theory" didn't seem quite sufficient to me (but I'm an art historian, hence my asking opinions here).

The passage in question is:
"As theologians explored and debated over the difficult relationship between Eucharistic accidents and substance suggested by the [doctrine/theory?] of transubstantiation, that is, between the appearance of bread in the Host and its ‘bread-ness’ or, as in the case of the consecrated Host, its ‘Christ-ness’, they had to consider the relationship between outside and inside, visible and invisible."

One solution would simply to say "suggested by Transubstantiation, that is..."
Is there something else one could call it more accurately?

(I realize it is a bit odd to give such a snippet out of its larger context, but considering it is not yet published, it seems inappropriate to give more.)

Thanks for any assistance!

Best regards,
Sarah W.
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Pratt Institute
History of Art and Design Department
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Brooklyn, NY 11205

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