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All the same, it would do no harm to check Ellis and the Survey of English Dialects.
I.
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Betreff: Re: [EPNL] The river-name Piall
Datum: 2017-08-07T13:58:57+0200
Von: "Keith Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
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Yes, the same point is made in Peter Kitson's review of the Kristensson volume in Nomina 28 (pdf available at http://www.snsbi.org.uk/Nomina.html ).
Anyway, the observation of Wright on more recent Devon dialect is independent, and still looks to me to explain Piall sufficiently.
Keith
The Lay Subsidy Rolls are difficult sources, since their local status is dubious. I would not trust them for linguistic purposes without the support of genuine local sources, such as private charters, cartularies and manorial extents.
I.
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Betreff: Re: [EPNL] The river-name Piall
Datum: 2017-08-06T19:59:20+0200
Von: "Keith Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
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That's a little hard to connect to Kristensson's own claims. His sources are only subsidy rolls for 1327 (1329 for Devon), and 1332 or 1333 (page 13). Aren't these all chancery documents? On page 116, he says "In Devon, /i(:)/ and /y(:)/ interchange. I don't see any correlation of the <i> and <u> spellings with the date, which might have happened if there was scribal bias.
Keith
In hyll, mylen, etc., in Devon, the <i> forms are chancery spellings, while <u> is of course the spelling for the normal Southern MEreflex of OE /y/. As for later reflexes of OE /y/ in the South-West, it might well be worth looking at Alexander Ellis.
I.
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Betreff: Re: [EPNL] The river-name Piall
Datum: 2017-08-06T10:28:28+0200
Von: "Keith Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
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Wright, English dialect grammar p.84: "y before ll has become iə in w.Som and e.Dev.".
That should do it.
Taking things further back, Kristensson, Survey of ME dialects 1290-1350, Southern counties 1. vowels, pp.104-109 and maps 12 & 13 shows that OE y before l in the words hyll, mylen, and pyll comes to be written both <i> and <u> in Devon, in sharp contrast to all counties to the east, where it is always written <u>. I wonder whether what was really happening was that y had become diphthongized to /iu/, and that this was a precursor to Wright's /iə/?
Keith
True, the near at hand is often falsely ignored. Before looking for Indo-Europeans, we should examine the stem vowel of PIALL in an English context.
I.
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Betreff: Re: [EPNL] The river-name Piall
Datum: 2017-08-05T15:09:56+0200
Von: "Keith Briggs" <[log in to unmask]>
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Why doesn't Pleashays just contain the Devon surname Please, like other surname+hays names of its area (e.g. Passmorehays)? It's necessary to eliminate the probable before considering the improbable.