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Joining in late but a few of us were going to do a SEDA online course but stopped progressing this when
the HEA and others started the project. We can of course look at this again if there is indeed interest in doing this.
I agree it is hard when there is an emphasis on having someone with experience and I think the idea of
appointing people with no experience and having them as a second a mentor is a good idea and I have two externals on our MA and would be happy to look at this when we next need to appoint but we often have to persuade our institutions that is this is a good
succession plan.
Happy to start this in mine
Pam
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From: Celia Popovic [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 29 June 2017 16:24
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Subject: Re: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
HI John and everyone
Regarding the SEDA PDF awards - there is a difference between having an award available and SEDA running a course with or without accreditation. As I understand it, those institutions that offer
a course for their own external examiners (who by definition have already been appointed and are therefore not caught in the Catch 22) may apply to get SEDA PDF accreditation under the EE award.
What I was suggesting was the potential for a course on external examining for those who are not already EEs. This could be run by SEDA perhaps, or by another organization. Having completed such
a course, participants might be in a better position to apply to be an EE. Given that not all of us (especially if not in the UK) are aware of what external examining is, or the benefits for our programs, this might be of interest to a wider, possibly international,
community.
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From: "Lea, John ([log in to unmask])" <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: 06/29/2017 09:14 AM
Subject: Re: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
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Great catch 22, Janette.
I’m writing as an experienced EE but even I feel a little intimidated by these requests in case I don’t have enough experience or I have the wrong experience!
That said, I can understand why a perceived high profile course might feel they need someone with extensive experience – but perhaps that pressure comes from the Quality Office and we should collectively try to
resist that?
Also, a fair number of the courses that I have examined on have had 2 or more EEs so there is surely scope there to have at least one new recruit, so to speak.
Or perhaps we might ask our Quality offices to seek to formally promote a shadowing process, so that new people can get some experience (whether it would ever be enough still remains though!). Maybe the HEFCE/HEA
project team are looking into that?
I also wonder if there’s any evidence out that HEI groupings tend to recruit from their own group? E.g. Russell group from other Russell group; post 92 from other post 92 and so on???
On Celia’s points, I thought there was a SEDA PDF course on EE – or has that withered? And Celia’s other comment reminded me of a colleague based in New York. When I told him that I wouldn’t be available on a
certain day because I was external examining, he replied by suggesting that it sounded rather unsavoury!
Best
John
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Subject: Re: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
Another option might be to see if you could shadow an existing EE...
Helen
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Subject: Re: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
Is there scope for a SEDA course on external examining? Here in Canada most people have no idea what this is ....
Celia
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> Thank you Janette, you beat me to posting this point! I am in exactly the same position and very frustrated by not being able to apply for such opportunities.
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> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Janette Myers
> Sent: 29 June 2017 13:21
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> Subject: Re: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
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> This is a reply to all of you who have posted seeking external examiners, I'm not singling Karen out, it's just that this finds me with a spare 5 minutes.
> I've looked with interest at your posts because I have considered becoming an EE, believing it would contribute to my professional development and that I would have something to contribute in return.
> The person spec almost always says that previous experience of external examining is essential for the role. So my question to you as a would be examiner with no previous experience is - what can I do? And what will you do to develop the people you need to
run your courses as the current policy inevitably results in you seeking replacement EEs from an ever dwindling pool?
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> Regards
> Janette
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> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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> Sent: 29 June 2017 09:38
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> Subject: Seeking External Examiner for HE Academy D1 Programme
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> Dear SEDA colleagues,
>
> We are looking to recruit an enthusiastic, creative and rigorous External Examiner for the HEA accredited York Learning and Teaching Award. Mapped against Descriptor 1 of the UK Professional Standards Framework the programme is aimed to equip GTAs with the
skills, experience and support required to excel in their academic practice and to develop an academic career. The programme is cohort based and recruits 4-50 GTAs annually. The position will be available from the start of the academic year 2017/18 for four
years. We are seeking to identify a colleague with experience of postgraduate teaching together with experience of the delivery or management of professional development provision.
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> Applicants should have:
> - extensive educational development experience, teaching on a similar programme
> - previous external examining experience
> - good awareness of HE teaching and learning in the creative arts
> - experience of making HEA fellowship recognition decisions
> - Senior or Principal Fellowship of the HEA.
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> Responsibilities: We would like the external to prepare a report and present it verbally that at one external examiner meeting a year, usually in July and review a selection of online portfolios. Other opportunities to engage with the programme will be offered
as optional.
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> Information about the programme can be found using this link: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.york.ac.uk%2Fstaff%2Fresearch%2Ftraining-forums%2Fresearch-excellence-training-team%2Fpostgraduates-who-teach%2Fyork-learning-and-teaching-award%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cudaramati.pope%40NTU.AC.UK%7C5ca89d1512e34567a62708d4bee9423a%7C8acbc2c5c8ed42c78169ba438a0dbe2f%7C1&sdata=JfVOSBNLW5YF5SCyOS0a3XVMj6PdN6kV%2BdXoeNmrsuo%3D&reserved=0
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> For further information on the Criteria for Appointment of External Examiners, please refer to The QAA Quality Code, Chapter B7: External Examining, Indicator 5.
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> If you are interested in this opportunity, or would like to discuss the post informally, please contact Dr Karen Clegg, Director for York Learning and Teaching Award and submit a letter of application together with a C.V. to
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> With best wishes,
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