I second that Dawn... Anne be prepared to submit yourself for cloning! J
Paula
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Sent: 22 June 2017 16:53
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OH Practice Placement
I think the best solution is to clone Anne and set her up in locations
around the UK J
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OH Practice Placement
Paula
The content of your email saddens me but it is unsurprising.
It may be worth pointing out that when we advertised for the last three
OHN educators, other than the people I had headhunted who were my
graduates we did not have one single suitable applicant. The same was
true when we advertised for an lecturer for a H&S lecturer. We
advertised three times and had one suitably qualified applicant. He
stayed for six months then went to a conference and we never saw him
again. I ended up running that course as a result and bringing in
subject experts when required. God bless Roy Bedson who stepped in to
help me out over that period. Some of you will have been taught by Roy.
I find it very difficult to answer the Q would you recommend OH
education as a career, it feels like constant battles and jumping
through hoops with a few back flips required in order to satisfy all the
stakeholders ranging from NMC, university, purchasers, employers and
students. We can't conjure up PTs and educators out of thin air. I use
simple "magic" tricks within my teaching, sadly I can't pull that
particular rabbit out of the hat.
Anne
On 22/06/2017 15:33, "Paula Highton" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Thank you Anne
I have to say that my students are reiterating the same comments and
opinions expressed in this article and I would be lying if I said that I
had not witnessed this myself a few years ago when I was training. I
fully agree with your concerns and it is devastating to think that the
OH speciality has the potential to become extinct. I really don't know
what the answers are and to some degree this is the reason I haven't
lobbied the NMC. It is one thing to outline everything that is going
wrong but I haven't got a clue how this is going to be turned around and
I don't have any ideas or suggestions which would bring about an
effective change. It feels like we are past the point of no return. How
do we conjure up OH educators out of thin air?
I love my role as a practice teacher but as you say there is a vast
difference between that and being an academic educator. We should be
grateful that people like yourself are still striving to ensure that the
education is meaningful and fit for purpose but there are not many of
you to go around.
Kind regards
Paula
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OH Practice Placement
Hello Paula
Not to put too fine a point on things I believe that the specialism of
SCPHN OH nursing is on the verge of extinction for the reasons you
state.
I have serious concerns that non-OH educators see nothing wrong with
having a school nurse or a health visitor managing an OH course and
wheeling in an OHN or two to do some of the teaching. A few years ago
that was the case at another university in London. An HV lecturer was
the course director for all the SCPHN pathways, including the OHN
pathway. I gather the pathway specific teaching was undertaken by OHNs
who were probably practice teacher/s. I am unsure who would mark
students' work. Practice teachers are experienced in assessing practice,
appropriately marking essays is a different thing altogether.
Patricia Garnhame wrote of her experience of this approach to OHN
education in an article published in the Occupational Health journal.
http://www.personneltoday.com/hr/nmc-needs-a-radical-rethink-on-course-c
ontent-for-scphns/ <http://www.personneltoday.com/hr/nmc-needs-a-radical-rethink-on-course-content-for-scphns/>
These are just 3 quotes from Garnhame 's article which are extremely
worrying:
Quote 1
"At university, I continued to struggle with the relevance of the course
content and its application to my field of practice. The
one-size-fits-all method of teaching didn't provide the support some of
my fellow students required. The university advised me to relate working
with families to working with groups of builders or dustmen. There was
no OH tutor or even access to an OH-qualified member of staff, as most
tutors were district nurses."
Quote 2
"In trying to push everyone under the same SCPHN umbrella, it became
increasingly apparent that the district nurses, practice nurses and
health visitors were well provided for, while the smaller
specialities lagged woefully behind."
Quote 3
"At university, I continued to struggle with the relevance of the course
content and its application to my field of practice. The
one-size-fits-all method of teaching didn't provide the support some of
my fellow students required. The university advised me to relate working
with families to working with groups of builders or dustmen There was no
OH tutor or even access to an OH-qualified member of staff, as most
tutors were district nurses."
Quote 4
"The final straw for me was when two of the tutors showed an interest in
my assignment, stating they would "learn something in advance of your
specialist module".
In my view the above approach seriously disadvantages OHNs. At London
South Bank we try very hard to give good support AND I have had to
fight my corner to ensure that five out six modules on our course are
totally OH specific. The sixth is a research module which is delivered
across pathways. Indeed at our recent validation our student and
graduate reps highlighted that course content and lecturer support were
the reasons they had chosen to study at this university. This was
commented upon by both the Chair of the Validation Event and an
Associate Professor from Engineering who was a university rep on the
panel.
The NMC recently involved educators in discussion regarding delivery of
courses that the NMC approve. I believe that there was an OHN
practitioner involved and possibly one or more SCPHN educators
representing other pathways but not one OHN educator. It is the OHN
educators rather than the HV & SN educators who face the most
difficulties and only an OHN educator, not an OHN practitioner or an HV
educator would have experience of the challenges. So, I pass this over
to JISC subscribers to suggest an appropriate a solution - perhaps you
would like to consider lobbying the NMC for change.
Best
Anne
On 22/06/2017 11:09, "Paula Highton" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I must admit I have become increasingly worried about this over the last
two years.
I appreciate that one of the main causes of the downfall in OH education
is a lack of Practice teachers but based on experience with our nearest
OH education provider, which is on the verge of collapse; it is not the
only factor.
Just as there are a lack of PTs there is also a lack of OH educators at
a level required to teach in Universities. The uptake of course places
is also very poor in our sector. I currently have 2 part-time SCPHN
students and when one qualifies in September I will be taking on another
but I have some serious concerns about the level of support that they
have and will have from the Universities. I too am more than happy to
facilitate alternative placement days. I have also started taking
pre-reg nursing students since January this year to introduce them to
the world of OH, but at this rate there won't be any University courses
in the north of the UK that we can sign post interested parties to.
I wonder what is going to happen to our profession going forward. L
Paula
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Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] OH Practice Placement
Dear JISCers
As list users will have noticed, several of our prospective students
have
posted on JISC in the last few weeks asking for practice placements in
order
to undertake their SCPHN degree programmes with us.
I am now posting in support their requests. You may be unaware that the
situation with regards to OHN education is now getting very serious.
Based
on very strong evidence I believe that SCPHN occupational health nursing
is
on the verge of collapse. This results from a lack of practice
placements
and practice teachers. Crystal ball gazing, unless we get the support of
people to facilitate the practice learning of OH students I suspect that
over the next four years or so several NMC SCPHN (OH) courses will be
forced to close.
OH Nursing education in the UK has a long history going back to 1932 and
I
have taught OHNs for well over 20 years and many JISCers are my
graduates. I
would be very sad to see SCPHN OHN courses die.
Please can some of you help people such as Barbara and earlier posters
to
secure placements. Using Barbara's request as an example, her breadth of
experience is phenomenal and she has many skills transferable to the OH
setting.
Best
Anne
Anne Harriss
Professor in Occupational Health
London South Bank University
On 22/06/2017 04:28, "Barbara Grohs"
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear all
>
> I am pleased to have secured a place at London Southbank University to
study
> Occupational Health at Post Graduate diploma level and am now looking
for a
> practice placement.
>
> I firmly believe that I have the qualifications and transferrable
skills to
> successfully fulfil OH placement requirements. I achieved a
distinction for my
> diploma in Adult Nursing and have 8 years proven experience in
effectively
> managing patients in complex community care settings, Intensive and
High
> Dependency Care Units.
>
> I am a very hard working, extremely organised professional with
excellent
> communication and health care skills. I have the ability to work
autonomously
> and calmly to deliver high standards of care under pressure. I have
the
> passion for effective, efficient delivery of Gold Standard care to
patients.
>
> I would be very grateful for a placement opportunity and look forward
to
> hearing from you. I live in Central London but have my own car and I
am
> willing to travel.
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Barbara Grohs
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