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"iuxta" should be taken in the literal sense, I think:  "next to, in close proximity to"

"cineres" = ashes.  The Romans practised cremaition, so "cineres" was used for "remains".  In more modern times, it might be used for "remains" in imitation of classical Latin, even though the person was not cremated but buried.

"proavus/a" is a great-grandfather/mother, but can just mean "ancestor".


Hence:  "next to the remains of [his] ancestors."


From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Karl Brunner <[log in to unmask]>
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Dear Anne,
My interpretation is:
According to the ashes of the ancestors.
That means, I think, that he was following the traces of his ancestors.
Nobody is cremated, when the priest says at the funderal „earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust“, cf. Gen 3:19.
Yours
Karl

> Am 10.06.2017 um 16:37 schrieb Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]>:
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Can anyone help me with this?
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> The words Juxta Proavorum Cineres appear on the monument to Thomas Methuen (1684-1737) in Holy Trinity, Bradford on Avon, and seem to refer to himself and  his parents, Anthony (1650-1717) and Gertrude (1659-1699)
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>
> Cineres always means ashes, exuviae usually means clothes,
> things that are taken off. or spoils of war. Neither word is therefore
> quite what you would expect. I think exuviae is clearly meant to mean remains but Cineres - ashes? Did they cremate bodies at that time?  Or were they perhaps burned in a fire and cineres were all that was left?
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> Thank you
>
>
> Anne
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