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I sympathise Maryam, that must be a frustrating situation. I don't understand why people are suggesting that someone who has taught English Language for 3 years might need a CELTA. In my experience, that is a good 'entry level' qualification for those just starting out, to introduce some basic concepts and teaching techniques.

However, as a teacher educator, I would still bang the drum for teaching qualifications. What you get on a PGCE or DET or equivalent that you don't get on a Master's or Doctorate is the chance to engage systematically in the development of your practice. You are required to do a substantial amount of supervised teaching, where you are observed and engage in one-to-one discussion and reflection about your teaching. This is the unique component of teaching qualifications, and I have seen a wide range of teachers (from brand new to very experienced though unqualified) get a great deal from this process. And you get a piece of paper saying, yes, you don't just 'know it' you can 'do it' too!

For an experienced teacher like yourself with such fantastic and relevant academic qualifications, however, it seems only fair for you to get some recognition of prior learning/experience. You probably wouldn't need to do the entire PGCE/DET?

Best of luck!

Rachel

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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Maryam Almohammad [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 28 June 2017 16:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: DTLLS(ESOL) and equivalents

This is interesting how qualifications are used as a gatekeeping. I had experience in teaching English abroad for three years. I have an MA in Teaching English for Warwick University and a PhD in Education (TESOL) from Bristol. However, I could not get any ESOL or foundation year job. The language centre at Bristol University told me if you do not have CELTA, we do not recognise academic qualifications plus experience. Some other institutions accept.

Some teachers think they should go upwards from CELTA to MSc in TESOL. While I am asked to go downward, from MA and Phd in TESOL to CELTA. It feels really annoying.

Applying for an academic job is even harder because you are asked to have a teaching experience in TESOL in HE. Employers assume everyone is born with teaching experience.

Kind Regards,

Maryam

Kind Regards,

Maryam Almohammad

PhD in Education (Applied Linguistics & Literacy Studies)

Arabic Language Tutor

The School of Modern Languages

University of Bristol

On 28 June 2017 at 11:40, McKeown, Anne <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Dominic

At UCL Institute of Education we have a PGCE English (Literacy and ESOL) course. We have many students on this programme with a similar background of CELTA and ESOL experience.

It’s possible to take the course combining literacy and ESOL or as either subject alone. As Mary commented, bursaries are available for anyone taking a route which includes literacy, providing certain eligibility criteria are met.

We have an Open Day event coming up next week on Wednesday 5 July. If your colleague is interested in attending, she can find information about this HERE

And if you would like more details about the course, please email me at this address and I’ll be happy to send information or discuss on the phone.

Best wishes

Anne

From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:ESOL-RESEARCH@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Dominic Clarke
Sent: 27 June 2017 18:52
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: DTLLS(ESOL) and equivalents

Hello everyone

One of the teachers who volunteers in the organisation where I

coordinate the English classes is extremely keen to progress into

paid ESOL work. She has already gained the CELTA qualification

and now wishes to study further to improve her prospects of

gaining paid ESOL work. A few years ago I completed the DTLLS

(ESOL) qualification and this was very relevant to my progression

in ESOL. My understanding is that this specific qualification is no

longer available, has this been replaced with another qualification

aimed at ESOL teachers ?

Regards

Dominic

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