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I was picking up on the phone screen looking like a page. I've never seen that. Never seen it like that. Maybe that's my prejudice I have a strong memory of a young man of whom I shall say no more in order to avoid any possibility of identifying him -- he was struggling it seemed to me to read at all competently - and there are many ways... and I was struck when I saw what he was reading from to blame that at least in part I am also willing to accept the possibility that I'm an old fart for the rest of what you're saying I'm all for it just thought not to defend a sand castle a possible sand castle L On 26 April 2017 at 16:03, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Oops, Lawrence > > Not sure what you mean here. Probably me, too, really. I like using paper > (&, of course, with a new book, reading from that). I certainly use paper > for even the most outlandish sound poem, because I want to suggest to an > audience that it is ‘text’ as well as whatever else they hear. So the page > is part of the performance… > > But I was also just saying that usually when I’m beginning, I have a > little notebook & a pen or pencil, & that’s how it goes down, to begin > with…. > > Doug > > On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > oh ok then > > probably me > > > > L > > > > On 26 April 2017 at 15:51, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> Oh Patrick > >> > >> you’ve started something with that. I won’t go back to clay, but have a > >> real fountain pen, * do, usually, write a first daft (not that they > always > >> get changed than much, but sometimes…). > >> > >> Have certainly seen people reading from their smartphones (which I don’t > >> have; but could use my i-pod or). I transferred a sounding piece to my > >> I-pod & except for th pace between the tens, it looked pretty much as on > >> paper ( as we adjust our eyes to the new surface?). > >> > >> A big hmmnnn….? to it all… > >> > >> Doug > >>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Oh yes. I'm all for it. Whatever it is! > >>> In the last hour or two I have been looking at a piece apparently > written > >>> on to a mobile recording device 15 years ago -- although I have a faint > >>> suspicion that I wrote it as if I were transcribing... I can hardly > >>> remember it. > >>> I agree with you about trying to track the origins et cetera. Wherever > it > >>> comes from in us, let's trackit once it's out! > >>> * > >>> There's plenty of mumbling from people with sheets of typescript -- I > >> won't > >>> even spend time considering the possibility of remembering. > Remembering? > >>> And , while I know some who can deliver a fine reading from a > smartphone, > >>> it seems more likely that they won't > >>> > >>> L > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 April 2017 at 13:31, Bill Wootton <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Heathen knights, Patrick would now make use of lances for selfie > sticks > >> no > >>>> doubt. Lawrence, when I rattle out poems on ipad, I still save > versions > >> of > >>>> them and send them to desktop. Good to know where stuff came from and > >>>> sometimes the freshness of early drafts still trumps stuff much-mucked > >>>> with. > >>>> > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 at 8:25 PM, Lawrence Upton < > [log in to unmask] > >>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I've experienced this poems on a mobile phone stuff. > >>>>> One bit of me finds it exciting -- in some ways > >>>>> but it seems to make sense of the words spaced out meaningfully > >>>> impossible > >>>>> and negates benefits of redrafting -- thinking now of evidence of > >>>>> benefitting writing skills by printing out and redrafting that was > >> known > >>>>> maybe 30 years ago -- but that's been lost or subsumed into > "computers > >>>> are > >>>>> good" and now what I think of as idiots' phones subsume even that > >>>>> > >>>>> I tried, at a workshop, to express this a while back. The young > person > >>>>> addressed listened very politely and then said "but I don't know > about > >>>>> that" > >>>>> > >>>>> L > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 26 April 2017 at 11:02, Patrick McManus < > >>>> [log in to unmask]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> thanks Bill -I have never been able to commit to memory -I remember > >>>> once > >>>>> I > >>>>>> was in a medieval play -had terrible job remembering my few line > -hang > >>>> on > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 'her come I a heathen knight for St George to > >>>>>> fight...................................'wel some has stuck over > 50 > >>>>>> years!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 26/04/2017 09:49, Bill Wootton wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Printing? What's all this printing stuff, Patrick? At poetry > readings > >>>>> I've > >>>>>>> been to recently, poets read their stuff, if they can't commit it > to > >>>>>>> memory, straight off their mobile phones or tablets. I'm more like > >>>> your > >>>>>>> 'he' here for the moment but when the next ink cartridge conks, I > >>>> might > >>>>> go > >>>>>>> with the flow. I like your line here 'old a clay tablet'. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bill > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 at 6:20 PM, Patrick McManus < > >>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *ALTHOUGH* > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> his poems > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> on his super > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> highly efficient > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ultra-modern > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> tech computer > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> he > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> nostalgically > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> printed them up > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> on his beloved > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> old a clay tablet > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> printer > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> /pmcmanus/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> /s156/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Douglas Barbour > >> [log in to unmask] > >> https://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/ > >> > >> Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations & > Continuations > >> 2 (UofAPress). > >> Recording Dates (Rubicon Press). > >> Listen. If (UofAPress): > >> > >> > >> and as you read > >> the sea is turning its dark pages > >> turning > >> its dark pages. > >> > >> Denise Levertov > >> > > Douglas Barbour > [log in to unmask] > https://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/ > > Recent publications: (With Sheila E Murphy) Continuations & Continuations > 2 (UofAPress). > Recording Dates (Rubicon Press). > Listen. If (UofAPress): > > > and as you read > the sea is turning its dark pages > turning > its dark pages. > > Denise Levertov >