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Dear Paul

 

I am of course interested in the discussion of course. But I would be more likely to become involved in it if it was not continually referring to one individual.  And there may be others who feel the same.

 

That is, starting a new post could open the discussion out. I am all  for open forums

 

Joan

 

From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul A Chin
Sent: 28 April 2017 09:34
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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

Hmmm. You could always just delete the unopened messages Joan. Sometimes discussions take place on open forums that are not of interest to everyone but that’s the nature of an open forum.

 

Kind regards

 

Paul

 

From: Joan O'Mahony [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 28 April 2017 09:27
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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

Dear all

 

This is not in response to any one comment on this post. But I was wondering if we could cease this particular discussion. Anyone who wants to continue the discussion on the topics that have emerged could begin a new post (or posts)??

 

Don’t get me wrong,  the discussion is interesting but it does not need to include any more references to particular individuals, I think.  

 

Yours sincerely

 

Joan

 

 

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From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alistair McCulloch
Sent: 28 April 2017 09:10
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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

I suspect the issue is really that an internal document was shared rather than a critique of YourTutor was undertaken.

 

I’d hope that we’d all support the right of the academic (or actually anyone else in society) to give a critical appraisal of something. I think the waters have become muddied in our conversation by conflating this issue with that of circulating an internal document which is a different order of thing and which Fiona was trying to withdraw.

 

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From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Emma Davenport
Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2017 7:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

Dear all,

 

I just want to put forward my thoughts on this matter as I think it is a critical example of just how far universities have come in terms of becoming corporate vehicles.  I realise that I am grossly simplifying the situation but I do so in order to provide a brief response, which I believe is more important at this stage. 

 

While I completely understand the pressures academic staff are under in the current climate with regards to job security and professional reputations, I would not want this space to be censored.  I would want a frank discussion amongst members about the aims and objectives of this space, and whether that needs to be readdressed, given the nature of this recent request. Times change and it is important that this space reflects upon and addresses those changes rather than being fixed on the one hand, reactive on the other. 

 

I have so many more thoughts on this topic but it is such an emotional one that, unfortunately, they are not yet in a coherent state to share.  

 

Many thanks,

Emma

 

On 27 April 2017 at 10:04, Paul A Chin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

I’m afraid I have to agree with David on this point -  though you have my full sympathies Fiona. Academic freedom is paramount and this was posted on a public UK JISCMAIL list so as subscribers we should also have some protection as well. However, this isn’t a dig at you John about censorship, I also appreciate your position. I think we should use this as an example to say in future that as long as the post is legal, they should not be removed just because someone objects (and we can read between the lines about the reasons here).

 

Regards

 

Paul

 

 

From: Rooney, Stephen G. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 26 April 2017 09:28


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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

Indeed – thank you, John.


Fiona – solidarity and good wishes. I’m truly sorry you’ve been put in this difficult situation. I’m sure we all share your dismay and alarm at what has happened and how, but also appreciate, and empathise with, the precarious position individuals find themselves in. I hope you’re getting appropriate support and advice.

 

All the best,


Steve

 

From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
Sent: 26 April 2017 09:07
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Subject: Re: Please help me remove this post.

 

Dear David

 

Whilst I understand your point of view, since the request to remove the post came from Fiona, who posted the message in the first place, I think it was appropriate to have removed it. 

 

 

John 


On 26 Apr 2017, at 08:49, David Hardman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

To be honest, it's causing me some grief that Fiona and everyone else has acquiesced so readily to Victoria University's "forceful" request. If academics aren't going to defend academic freedom by standing up to unreasonable behaviour from senior managements, then they might as well all pack up and go home.

 

David

 

On 26 April 2017 at 03:30, Cioccarelli, Lesley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Fiona

 

I’m so sorry that this has caused problems for you. 

 

I can’t find anyway to remove the message.  I have registered for a password and logged in, but can’t find the dustbin icon mentioned in these instructions, so guessing it may only be list owners who can do this:

Q. Can I remove a message from the archives?

If you need to remove a message from the list, you may do so by going to the relevant page within your archives and clicking on the 'dustbin' icon to the right hand side of the posting.

I’ll keep looking, but I think we’ll have to wait for John or the postmaster to help.

 

Regards

Lesley

 

 

From: Fiona Henderson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2017 11:00 AM
To: Cioccarelli, Lesley; [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Please help me remove this post.
Importance: High

 

Dear Lesley and John and LDHEN postmaster,

 

I have been requested quite forcefully by senior management at Victoria University, to have this post removed.  I have been given no reason except that it is “causing grief”.

 

Can any of you please remove it for me? 

 

Can you please advise me when this is done.

 

 

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