I would say Southern bias….except it’s being done in Scotland!

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 18 April 2017 09:22
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But note that they haven’t done the 1:2500 mapping of northern England yet.

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Elliott, Keith
Sent: 18 April 2017 09:16
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Dear Linda,

Try this page - http://maps.nls.uk/os/ - the non-Scottish sets are about two-thirds down the page.

Hope that helps,

Keith

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Linda Smith
Sent: 18 April 2017 09:11
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Dear All

Sorry, I know life has moved on and much chocolate has been consumed, but how do you find the 1^st ed OS maps on the NLS web site? I’ve never been able to get them and couldn’t with the links people provided for this thred.

Thanks

Linda

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of lancashire.archaeology
Sent: 13 April 2017 15:56
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The diagonal banding is all over the map in question - see http://maps.nls.uk/view/102341692 which is Durham XLII 1857 (1:10,560 sheet). This is a much clearer map than tne rubbish on old-maps and you can zoom in without paying ...

The distribution shows the symbols must mean gardens, allotments or similar.

There seems to be 2 varieties of diagonals (if you count NW-SE and NE-SW variants as one type, the direction used to differentiate adjacent plots) one of single lines, and one of paired lines, both line types formed by small dots or short dashes. From the distribution, as well as the other symbols, I would guess that the single line is a garden or orchard, with land to grass, whereas the double line version would look more likely to be small cultivated plots - allotments would be OK for this ...

Peter Iles

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Date: 13/04/2017 15:16 (GMT+00:00)

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I think the Gardens answer is probably the right one, though it does seem to be a pretty big garden

Thanks folks

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of lancashire.archaeology
Sent: 13 April 2017 14:36
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I think the answer is, as noted by others, a garden. Some are plotted in some detail, others are just marked with the diagonals seen on your map. Do you think that areas of the latter sometimes represent market gardening, rather than domestic gardens?

I also don't know if those plotted in detail were actually surveyed in, sketched by the surveyor in a notebook and then approximated, or just invented to fill the space (like the stamping for orchards, tree cover, etc.). I haven't seen anything about this in the Charles Close Soc. book "OS Maps for the Historian" which is otherwise a useful source.

Pete Iles, Lancashire.

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Date: 13/04/2017 13:55 (GMT+00:00)

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Thanks for replies so far – cross hatched was probably a misleading tem as its only one set of lines in one direction, rather than actually crossing – apologies for wooliness but it is (effectively) a Friday

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 13 April 2017 13:52
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Not seen that before – and it’s only on the 1:10,560 maps. I would guess from the context that it indicates areas where earthmoving will mean that anything planned might not be there next week. The 1:2500 shows clay pits and colliery waste in the same areas.

Glass houses are cross-hatched.

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Boldrini
Sent: 13 April 2017 13:38
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Subject: Old Map symbols

Hi folks

Can anyone give a clue as to what a cross hatched area on a first Edition OS might represent? It has 45 degree (ish) diagonals going NE – SW.

I have tried looking at the information available here https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Pages/Faq but it isn’t shown, nor is it shown on anything I can find on the National Library of Scotland.

Second Edition doesn’t show the same thing, so trying to work out if I can infer anything from it.

If you have access to historic mapping its at NZ 22708 29640 in particular, but you can see other examples around it.

Can provide images to people individually if they want a picture rather than my (somewhat less than) 1000 words

thanks

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