In counterpoint, please see Bybee and Slobin (1982), "Why small children cannot change language on their own": https://www.unm.edu/~jbybee/downloads/BybeeSlobin1982ChildrenEnglishPastTense.pdf On 3/23/2017 2:50 AM, Daniel Ezra Johnson wrote: > "In most research on language change, the focus is on adults, and > children are usually ignored" > > But maybe this is more methodology (access, largely), since I too was > always given to believe that young children were the absolute key, at > least for the type of change associated with "transmission" > ("incrémentation", etc.). There's a great project starting up in > France under the direction of Jean-Pierre Chevrot, who is going to > study the spread of innovations in French by recording entire primary > school classes (for some hours each day, for a number of months?). > It's great to find ways to study language change right where we > believe much of it is happening! > > As far as "awkward" ("is concerned", I would have _insisted_ on saying > 20 years ago), I think I'm an adopter of the new sense, but as often > with newer slang, I sometimes wonder if I'm using it "wrong" > (differently from the kids). I would have said it's still different > from "weird" and still related to the earlier "awkward". But, even if > it "just means 'weird'", it could be part of a cultural and linguistic > turn towards the emotional and social, in speaking and in evaluating > language use. Here are a few examples of words and phrases on the rise > (omitting corpus-linguistic proof) that I feel [sic] represent this > trend: > > I feel > awkward > offensive > inappropriate > call out on > > And there must be positive examples too, which I may find myself less > often on the receiving end of... The idea (sorry I can't remember > where I read this) is that one is now tending to evaluate speech more > - or at least more so than previously - in terms of the emotional > reaction of the hearer, and the social consequences for the speaker, > rather than focusing on its "intellectual content". I think - or at > least feel - that much of "political correctness" and the debate > thereabout could be related to this "turn". > > Dan > >> Le 23 mars 2017 à 06:49, Troike, Rudolph C - (rtroike) <[log in to unmask]> a écrit : >> >> In most research on language change, the focus is on adults, and children are usually ignored > ######################################################################## > > The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics. > > To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: > [log in to unmask] > > To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1 -- -Angus B. Grieve-Smith [log in to unmask] ######################################################################## The Variationist List - discussion of everything related to variationist sociolinguistics. To send messages to the VAR-L list (subscribers only), write to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe from the VAR-L list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=VAR-L&A=1