Alan, Alastair, It is from Carrington’s biography (p. 240 of the 1986 Penguin edition) where he attributes to Philip Gosse, Edmund’s son, who was also present. Mike From: To exchange information and views on the life and work of Rudyard Kipling [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alastair Wilson Sent: 06 February 2017 06:58 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Fwd: Form submission from the Kipling website Dear Mr. Cowan, I can only help you by saying that, according to the Carrington Extracts from Carrie's diaries, James and Gosse were there, and Ford wasn't, so it was probably one of the first two. Yours, Alastair Wilson On 06/02/2017 06:49, JOHN RADCLIFFE wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Date: 6 February 2017 at 06:04:19 GMT To: <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Form submission from the Kipling website Form Title = Problems 1_surname = Cowan 2_firstname = Alan 3_email = [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 4_Problems = Please summarise your problem here Somewhere i have read a description of Carrie's wedding dress as "brown with buttons all the way down the front". Can anyone remind me of where it came from. Gosse? James? Ford Madox Ford? Alan Cowan