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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I happen to be Greek Orthodox. How much of a time period constraint do you want on this? These sorts of things appear in books called Euchologia, which are sort of practical "junk drawer" prayer and blessings books for priests. There are fragmentary mss from the MA, but very little until well after the Studite liturgical compilation and reforms of the 9th-12th centuries (in fairness, the overall liturgical practice hasn't changed much since then). There is a good *euchologion *available in English in four volumes, published by St. Tikhon's Seminary, so it follows the Russo-Slavic tradition, but it's used extensively by English-speaking priests in the Antiochian and Greek Archdioceses in the US. You would probably find volume 2 most valuable. I highly recommend Eighth Day Books <http://www.eighthdaybooks.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=19221&keyword=book+of+needs&searchby=title&offset=0&fs=1> (and not just because I happen to know the owner well and my wife works there), if you want your own copy. Here are a couple of worldcat search links: https://www.worldcat.org/title/great-book-of-needs-expanded-and-supplemented/oclc/39281822&referer=brief_results https://www.worldcat.org/title/book-of-needs-abridged/oclc/41958108&referer=brief_results On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Thanks to all who responded to my earlier request regarding Holy Water and > Chrism. My students were most interested in the detailed exorcism of the > water - and the salt! However a Greek Orthodox friend raised the issue of > how far back this goes (apparently it is not done today). I´m guessing that > probably it is there in the early church (I have found Greek examples of > other things she has scoffed at), but my Greek is pretty much non-existent. > Does anyone on the list know of Greek rituals for preparing holy water > and/or baptismal water that are accessible in English (or German, or > French. I could probably plow my way through Greek with a translation on > hand.) I´m not just interested in water, though, and am wondering if there > is perhaps a weighty 19th century German tome on the history of liturgical > blessings? Of course I´d be delighted to learn of something more recent, > and in English, but the Germans seem to have done a lot of the spadework > that has not yet been superceded. > > Meg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Thomas Izbicki < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:52 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Chrism was consecrated by the bishop at the chrism mass on Holy Thursday & > distributed to the parishes. You should look at Powicke & Cheney, *Councils > and* *Synods*, vol. 2 for regulations concerning this. > > > Regulations for the safe keeping of the Eucharist also are concerned with > the keeping of chrism. Some of the relevant regulations are translated from > Lynwoode's *Provinciale* in in *Lyndwood’s Provinciale*…., ed. J. V. > Bullard and H. Chalmer Bell (London: Faith Press, 1929), esp. pp. 12-13 > Archbishop Pecham's *Cum sacri*. > > > Tom Izbicki > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Jolanta > Komornicka <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 10:00:45 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > As I recall, Miri Rubin's Medieval Christianity in Practice has a chapter > or two on baptism and I think a discussion of godparent roles. (the book is > a sourcebook with primary sources and couple page scholarly discussion > following each selection) > > > > Jola. > > Dr. Jolanta N. Komornicka > Corcoran Dept. of History > University of Virginia > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Gordon Plumb <000000648c720e9f-dmarc- > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> You can find a translation of the Sarum Baptismal Rite in E C Whitaker, >> "Documents of the Baptismal Liturgy", Third edition edited by Maxwell E >> Johnson, London, SPCK, 2003, chapter 14, including the godmothers being >> enjoined >> to teach the child the Lord's Prayer, the Hail Mary and the Creed. >> >> Gordon Plumb >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]> >> To: MEDIEVAL-RELIGION <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2017 2:20 pm >> Subject: Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism >> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> >> >> Greetings all, >> >> Can anyone tell me what kind of ritual(s) are used to create / bless Holy >> Water in medieval times? What about chrism? 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