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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Meg, I suppose I always say the same thing, but I think a useful first step is usually to check the French mega-encyclopedias, where there will often be a long and thorough historical treatment, even if dated and needing to be supplemented by more modern work. The great advantage is that they aim at a systematic coverage, whereas much modern scholarship is very specialised and therefore fragmentary (with exceptions, of course). For liturgical blessings I would check first *Dictionnaire d'archéologie chrétienne et de liturgie* (30 vols in 15, 1903-53). It can be supplemented with the Brepols *Dictionnaire encyclopédique de la liturgie* (2003), where there is an article by Manilio Sodi on "Bénédiction", or the various one-volume dictionaries like *The New Westminster Dictionary of Liturgy and Worship* (1986), but they are rarely given to intricate historical detail like the old works. In German there may be something substantial (I have not checked) in *Theologische Realenzyklopädie *(1976- ), or the older *Reallexikon für Antike und Christentum* (1950- ). A. Franz, *Die kirklichen Benediktionen im Mittelalter* (2 vols, 1909) is perhaps the "weighty German tome" you mention (1500+ pages), to be loved or feared, depending. I'm not sure of its coverage of the Greek tradition. -- Paul On 18 February 2017 at 08:07, Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Thanks to all who responded to my earlier request regarding Holy Water and > Chrism. My students were most interested in the detailed exorcism of the > water - and the salt! However a Greek Orthodox friend raised the issue of > how far back this goes (apparently it is not done today). I´m guessing that > probably it is there in the early church (I have found Greek examples of > other things she has scoffed at), but my Greek is pretty much non-existent. > Does anyone on the list know of Greek rituals for preparing holy water > and/or baptismal water that are accessible in English (or German, or > French. I could probably plow my way through Greek with a translation on > hand.) I´m not just interested in water, though, and am wondering if there > is perhaps a weighty 19th century German tome on the history of liturgical > blessings? Of course I´d be delighted to learn of something more recent, > and in English, but the Germans seem to have done a lot of the spadework > that has not yet been superceded. > > Meg > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Thomas Izbicki < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:52 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Chrism was consecrated by the bishop at the chrism mass on Holy Thursday & > distributed to the parishes. You should look at Powicke & Cheney, *Councils > and* *Synods*, vol. 2 for regulations concerning this. > > > Regulations for the safe keeping of the Eucharist also are concerned with > the keeping of chrism. Some of the relevant regulations are translated from > Lynwoode's *Provinciale* in in *Lyndwood’s Provinciale*…., ed. J. V. > Bullard and H. Chalmer Bell (London: Faith Press, 1929), esp. pp. 12-13 > Archbishop Pecham's *Cum sacri*. > > > Tom Izbicki > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Jolanta > Komornicka <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 10:00:45 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > As I recall, Miri Rubin's Medieval Christianity in Practice has a chapter > or two on baptism and I think a discussion of godparent roles. (the book is > a sourcebook with primary sources and couple page scholarly discussion > following each selection) > > > > Jola. > > Dr. Jolanta N. Komornicka > Corcoran Dept. of History > University of Virginia > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Gordon Plumb <000000648c720e9f-dmarc- > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> You can find a translation of the Sarum Baptismal Rite in E C Whitaker, >> "Documents of the Baptismal Liturgy", Third edition edited by Maxwell E >> Johnson, London, SPCK, 2003, chapter 14, including the godmothers being >> enjoined >> to teach the child the Lord's Prayer, the Hail Mary and the Creed. >> >> Gordon Plumb >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]> >> To: MEDIEVAL-RELIGION <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2017 2:20 pm >> Subject: Re: [M-R] Holy water and chrism >> >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture >> >> >> Greetings all, >> >> Can anyone tell me what kind of ritual(s) are used to create / bless Holy >> Water in medieval times? What about chrism? 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