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Dear All, As a researcher from Iran, I would like to thank those who expressed their solidarity with us. However I don't think banning scientific conferences in the US could be an appropriate response, it's kind of a reaction rather than an ACTION to change this policy. Instead I would like to suggest sending letters to the white house and calling your congress representatives, members of parliament and other public figures to stand up against such fascistic order. American Sociology Association and British Sociological Association have made strong stances that can be replicated. Moreover I urge you to gather and publish evidence on the impact of such injustice on scientific community. You may also like to join the The March for Science <https://www.marchforscience.com/> on the Earth Day. Finally I would like to highlight that Human Rights should prevail over any contrasting interest or evidence! Best Regards Omid On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Gerd Antes <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > With the terrible German history of the last centery as background I would > like to strongly support > Ami's points. > To seperate science and politics is not possible in general and > particularly not in the context of evidence-based .... > A travel ban directly violates the production and exchange of global > knowledge, and systematic lies and twisting > facts damages fundamental rules of science. > > Difficult to see how addressing these issues on this list should be > propaganda. Those who are excluded from meetings > and conferences for religious reasons or country of origin certainly > deserve our solidarity. > > Gerd > > > > On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 04:49:30PM +0000, Ami Banerjee wrote: > > I agree that this is difficult but I would like to offer an > alternative > > viewpoint. > > Science depends on open non-discriminatory discourse. For scientific > > meetings to be valid they must be open in a non discriminatory way. I > am > > not blaming conference organisers but current US border regulations as > > President Trump would have them, mean that many scientists would not > be > > able to attend due to their country of birth or nationality ergo the > > congress is not open. > > I am a cardiologist and epidemiologist and last week's ban affected > > several of my colleagues in that short time. Therefore, I think it is > > simplistic to decide not to debate politics here. That promotes the > idea > > of ivory tower academia that does not engage with society. As long as > my > > colleagues can't attend, and the conferences are not open, I am not > > attending either. > > > > In my own country, the UK, this morning I attended a scientific panel > in > > Parliament to debate the impact of Brexit on UK science.There are many > > scientific fora which are debating this point, and should be debating > this > > point, in my opinion, because if we the science community do not, then > > other people will decide for us. > > Evidence-based healthcare has led the way in rooting out lies, > > "alternative facts" and "fake news" in healthcare, and in public > debate > > for several decades. There have been many calls for "evidence-based > > policymaking" but the uptake of this paradigm has been disappointing > in > > many respects, and it is particularly threatened in many countries > right > > now, including the US and the UK. Therefore, I believe this > listserver can > > be a home for respectful debate. > > Best wishes > > Ami > > On 6 February 2017 at 16:30, Glen Burgoyne <[1] > [log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > I strongly agree. If we were to follow through with this policy we > are > > just hurting our own. The sponsors of medical conferences in the > USA 🇺🇸 > > have nothing to do with the current political events there. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Alan Adelman > > <[2][log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Agree with Terry Shaneyfelt > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Shaneyfelt, Terry > > <[3][log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > This doesn’t have anything to do with evidence based healthcare. > > > > This listserv should not a medium for propagating political > agendas. > > > > > > > > From: Evidence based health (EBH) > > [[4]mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > Juan > > Gérvas > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 4:46 AM > > To: [5][log in to unmask] > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Boycott Conferences in the US > > > > > > > > Solidarity People Affected ‘Muslim Ban’: Call for an Academic > > Boycott of International Conferences held in the US. > > [6]https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNN_2HHREt1h-dm > _CgWpFHw8NDPGLCkOwB4lLRFtKFJqI25w/formResponse > > > > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > > > -- > > > > Dr Amitava Banerjee > > Senior Clinical Lecturer in Clinical Data Science and Honorary > Consultant > > Cardiologist > > > > Farr Institute of Health Informatics Research > > > > University College London > > > > E-mail: [7]ami[8][log in to unmask] > > > > [9][log in to unmask] > > Tel:02035495449 > > > > Website: [10]http://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=ABANE83 > > Twitter:amibanerjee1 > > > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 2. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 3. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 4. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 5. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 6. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeNN_2HHREt1h-dm_Cg > WpFHw8NDPGLCkOwB4lLRFtKFJqI25w/formResponse > > 7. https://mail.bham.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=vttMZLWdjUK-owgyxhs > h2sPQIxmyxdEIIoW6pyyMCfpf9paPSel1CkyFCPv7jaXNa1U4_MfZrns.&UR > L=mailto%3aa.banerjee.1%40bham.ac.uk%3b > > 8. mailto:[log in to unmask] > > 9. https://mail.bham.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=vttMZLWdjUK-owgyxhs > h2sPQIxmyxdEIIoW6pyyMCfpf9paPSel1CkyFCPv7jaXNa1U4_MfZrns.&UR > L=mailto%3aamibanerjee%40yahoo.com > > 10. http://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=ABANE83 > > -- > > Gruesse Gerd Antes > > ============================================================ > ================ > Prof. Dr. Gerd Antes T: +49 (0)761 203-6706 (Sekr. > -6715) > Cochrane Deutschland / Cochrane Germany > www.cochrane.de > Universitaetsklinikum Freiburg Breisacher Str. 153 D-79110 > Freiburg > ============================================================ > ================ > > > > Postfaktische Wissenschaft ----- Post-Truth / Post-Factual > Science ??? > ============================================================ > ============================= > Ist das Zeitalter der Kausalität vorbei? Is the era of causality over? > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1865921716300708 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > Big Data, Innovation, Personalisierte Medizin und Co. - Eine neue > Wissenschaft-(lichkeit)? > Big Data, Innovation, Personalised Medicine and co. - A new > science(ability) in medicine? > www.labtimes.org/editorial/e_654.lasso > www.laborjournal.de/editorials/981.lasso > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > Big Data und Personalisierte Medizin: Goldene Zukunft oder leere > Versprechungen? > Big Data and Pesonalized Medicine: Golden Promises or Empty Promises? > http://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/175874 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > Wo ist der Beweis? de.testingtreatments.org > www.verlag-hanshuber.com/index.php/wo-ist-der-beweis-7840.html > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > -- Omid Zamani, MD, MPH Constituency Focal Point The Eastern Mediterranean Region Constituency <http://emrc-tgf.org/> of the Board of The Global Fund <http://theglobalfund.org/> Mobile: +98(912)3757353 Affiliated Researcher, Regional Knowledge Hub <http://hivhub.ir> for HIV&STI Surveillance Member of Medical and Health Sociology Scientific Group, Iranian Sociological Association <http://www.isa.org.ir/specialized-committees/75> Member of Environment & Health Communication Scientific Group, Iranian Association of Cultural Studies & Communication <http://www.iaocsc.ir/> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iranhivaids> Mobile: +98(912)3757353 Web: http://zamani.info Skype: dimotemps