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Teena,

You ask what Keith meant by "self-governance." Funny, but I was going to
ask you the same thing, as you used the term in the first line of your post
- "before we celebrate our capacity for Gibson’s idea of
self-governance...." I read Keith's use of the term as simply referring to
your use of it.

I took (or perhaps mis-took) your use of the term as referring to
"governance" of an organization by its own members, which is how I read
Bob's interpretation of Gibson.

In any case, it seems to me that your post was a pretty good example of
what Bob wrote about:
"Such an approach to governance both allows and expects all members, again
over time and especially with careful deliberation, to continuously examine
and re-examine those principles and their decision consequences, and
gradually and reflectively (not reflexively) adjust them as they see fit."
Assuming I'm correct in my interpretation, then I thank you for your
contribution to helping the community re-examine and adjust our principles.

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On 26 January 2017 at 20:01, Teena Clerke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> I am not entirely sure what you mean by ‘self-governance’ – are you
> suggesting that individuals can govern their own practices, or that a
> discipline can be self-governing? As in my last post, Foucault understands
> discipline as 'unauthored, anonymous. It is not owned by those it
> disciplines’. It is instead, a set of discursive practices of power
> governing who can say what, when and where, and who responds and how.
>
> My claim is that gendered practices manifest externally and impact in
> material ways on the individual body through institutional discourses that
> Foucault called (disciplinary) surveillance – ie. what it is acceptable to
> do, say, wear, signal, etc. in any given context – and internalised by
> individuals through self-surveillance (deciding whether to post, what to
> say, how to say it – read Eva Bendix-Pedersen’s dissertation for a full
> explanation on academic writing, which she depicts through the metaphor of
> the finger hovering over the backspace key). Therefore gendered practices
> cannot be ‘superior’, they are produced and reproduced through disciplinary
> performances, yet experienced differently by different bodies. In my
> understanding of practices, there is no neutral because they are all
> exercises of power.
>
> And yes, because most institutional practices were established by certain
> kinds of men who exercise power, and maintained and reproduced by women as
> well as men, they are gendered.
>
> Note that I said gendered practices (plural) as there are many different
> forms – Joan Acker has a very useful 5-tier structure of institutional
> practices that enable the performance of ‘gender’ (which here is understood
> as a verb, not a noun or personal attribute).This means that people don’t
> ‘have’ a gender, they ‘do’ gender, or perform (practice) in ways that are
> subject to discipline. These are all really tricky theoretical ideas not
> easily explained in a single post.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by transcendence. I said disruption. Given
> they need to be recited over time to survive, disciplinary discourses are
> unstable, which means they can be changed. In the case of gendering,
> heteronormative Western white masculine practices need to be disrupted
> (from reproduction) to incur change.
>
> What do you mean by Other other? Are you trying to be cute? To quote an
> infamous Australian, please explain. I can’t begin to respond to the
> question of what is a rewritten Other without knowing what you mean here.
>
> all the best,
> teena
>
>
> > Dear Teena,
> >
> > So, is self-governance folded into gendered practice? Is gendered
> practice
> > prior to self-governance? Is it superior? What is the operational
> > relationship in any critique? Do I firstly dismiss any notion that
> > self-governance might be occurring in a neutral way and go straight to
> > gendered practices as the necessary condition of any and all discourse?
> >
> > Is there no possibility of transcendance? Is the Other other already
> male?
> > What is a rewritten Other?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > keith
>
>
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