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Radu

Although I no longer work at Europeana I think I can answer your question - I suspect that the dataset in question was submitted some time ago and has not been more recently updated.  I do know that at first when the Rijksmuseum went 'open' they did restrict the biggest file that was made available on their site, but some time afterwards changed this policy and released the largest versions. If the data (and links) supplied at the time were to the smaller versions then that is what will be the data that is stored in Europeana.

Cheers, James



On 27 January 2017 at 09:02, Radu Suciu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear James,

I had a look at the Europeana query example you suggested and indeed found some interesting documents in high resolution to download. However, I was surprised to download an image which was different in size (and DPI) from the version available to download directly on the Rijksmuseum website (Europeana 2500x2041, 1.6MB but 350 DPI; RijksMuseum 5348x4366 at 72 DPI, 3.0MB). And this indeed relates to a point brought forward by Danny earlier: "what’s in it for us museums and our audiences? What’s our incentive to participate and facilitate collective repositories?".

If I download the digital copy of a work of art from a collective repository I would like to make sure that the resource I obtain is as close as possible to the original asset. In this case, the difference in size between the files I suppose has to do with the dataset Europeana was given access to by the content provider. But for a non specialist, it is a little disturbing not to know which image to choose, which one should be reused in a scientific publication and forward to the editor? Did the colour scheme change between the two versions? On my screen there are indeed slight differences. What do you think?

Best wishes,

Radu


On 26 January 2017 at 13:27, James Morley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On a technical note, Europeana search (and the API) allows this sort of query - e.g. http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/search?f%5BIMAGE_SIZE%5D%5B%5D=extra_large&f%5BREUSABILITY%5D%5B%5D=open&f%5BTYPE%5D%5B%5D=IMAGE&locale=en&per_page=96&q=&view=grid

Between that and Wikimedia they're probably the closest thing you'll get to a single list, though clearly both platforms are only a subset of the full corpus, and in Wikimedia I'm not sure you can query it by dimensions either. Also in both platform for historic or political reasons they might not actually provide access to the highest resolution image that is actually now available.

As a side note I'm intrigued as to what people consider 'high resolution' - for those on Twitter, pls vote - https://twitter.com/jamesinealing/status/824591925382696960

On the question of ArtUK, with my re-user hat on I've generally not found the resolution available to be very high, and the licensing filtering (and data!) seems restrictive.

Best, James



On 26 January 2017 at 11:50, Danny Birchall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I was going to ask the same question as Mia, only more bluntly – what’s in it for us museums and our audiences? What’s our incentive to participate and facilitate collective repositories? (fwiw, I don’t think europeana has answered this question either).

 

Also, the track record of ‘startups’ that gather open and crowdsourced data is far from great. It feels like a significant disincentive to participation if our data is going somewhere that’s significantly at risk from privatisation and perversion by the vulture-vampires of venture capital – like academia.edu for eg (I guess at least europeana is a safe harbour from that).

 

Danny

 

 

 

From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melissa Terras
Sent: 26 January 2017 11:44
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Subject: Re: [MCG] Database or repertory of Open content cultural data available in high resolution

 

Yes, there is a revenue stream (and she is helping some museums monetise their content from their own sites). But this is something that needs further development as the startup grows (and I shouldn't say too much about the model in a public forum given that this is a company, although I know that will be frustrating).

Melissa

 

On 26 January 2017 at 11:18, Mia R <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Out of interest, and possibly a question for after she's submitted her thesis, does she supply access and download statistics back to the source institutions? Or donate some of the proceeds to fund further digitisation? Either would help strengthen the case for opening up collections, especially if they're missing out on visits/income as a result of the aggregated site. In many ways, these questions are similar to those posed to Europeana back in the day...

 

Cheers, Mia

Sent from my handheld computing device


On 26 Jan 2017, at 11:04, Melissa Terras <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Radu,

I have a PhD student (Foteini Valeonti) who has been aggregating ALL available open glam 2D art from major GLAM institutions over at http://useum.org/. Her PhD is about the process of this - it has been terribly time consuming to navigate the licensing and access to batches of seemingly "open" content (we've made 100,000 images available! but you have to right click on each one individually to get it... etc etc). They are releasing the high resolution images in thematic batches at the moment: http://useum.org/download-artworks

Yes, this is all monetised to support the cost of the platform (don't shout at me!) but the academic question is "how easy is it to build a repository of "open glam" content?" and the answer is - Chuffing Difficult. We'll be writing it up in due course, she is about to hand in her thesis.

Wikimedia/ wikidata also have a repository of art works that they are accruing.

 

Melissa

 

On 26 January 2017 at 10:43, Radu Suciu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear All,

Would you happen to know if there is a compiled list or database of current cultural institutions allowing access (either unrestricted or for scholars under CC-BY licences) to their digital content in high resolution? I know of some (The British Museum, Getty, NYPL, etc) and know that more are joining the movement, but was wondering if there was maybe a repertory facilitating access.

Best wishes,

Radu


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