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Dear all,

 

As a tool on the journey, I found this most useful http://www.bestendings.com/dying-in-the-operating-room-rarely-happens/ …unless minds are imagining together nothing is shared. Agree with Mea culpa maybe this would start conversations.

 

Best,

 

Amy

 

 

 

 

From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Neal Maskrey <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: Neal Maskrey <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Friday, January 20, 2017 at 2:00 PM
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: clinicians expectations ( My question from the members of the list)

 

Two different ways of knowing and communication? If only it were that simple. 

 

Ami says it clearest. The population data can be collated and mastered, given time and effort. But it rarely tells us what is the right thing to do for this person at this time. Belatedly, we have rediscovered that we have to find that out by knowing the evidence, having our own clinical expertise, and having a conversation about the patient’s needs and preferences. As David Sackett said in the BMJ in 1996.  Mea culpa.

 

 

Best wishes

 

Neal

 

Neal Maskrey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 20 Jan 2017, at 15:37, Rakesh Biswas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Thanks Amit, Juan, Neal, and Mohammad for this very absorbing discussion. 

 

Is the problem that of dealing with two different ways of knowing and communicating? Do we need a separate learning ecosystem to nurture a workforce that is enabled to handle both? http://www.pitt.edu/~super1/lecture/lec54941/022.htm

 

best, 

 

rb

 

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Ghosh, Amit K., M.D. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

There is a lot you can teach and learn today ( EBM, statistics, how to write meta-analysis). These events are carried out  in safe and controlled environments and one can master these skills.

 

Taking care of a patient in a real time situation is unique. There are things you can control and things you can’t. The questions on patient management come from all directions and there is great power difference among the players( physician> patients). The factors that helps to prevent this imbalance is empathy, compassion, emotional and cultural sensitivity and advocating for the patient ( thereby giving them more power to express). Dr. Sweeney’s experience is unfortunate but is happening every day in almost every hospital. This can only be controlled ( or stopped)  if the hospital has a culture of professionalism that deals with understanding patient experience ( both prospectively and retrospectively).

 

The office of patient experience plays a huge role and patients’ survey help but  it needs a culture among providers and teams of providers that work for the  patient. How do you randomize this set of variables?

 

Self- awareness, coaching, simulation of patient experiences and bad communications, ongoing 360 degree evaluation, in service all play a role. The only focus needs to the patient and that is all that matters. When we see a great team play we are all thrilled by their mastery. What we don’t see is how much effort  was put prior to the game to take care of the unintended consequences?  That is the key differentiator.

 

As one of my mentors said- ‘ Our words are like arrows – once it is has left the bow you can’t have it back’. One can never spend enough time and attention to learn good communication( both verbal and nonverbal). Not being deliberate about this critical issue allows the cycle of poor provider- patient communication to continue. Sometimes the best help to learn good communication and service comes from other industries ( Ritz Carlton courses, Toastmasters international, Dale Carnegie  etc.)

 

Amit

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From: Evidence based health (EBH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Juan Gérvas
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:12 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: clinicians expectations ( My question from the members of the list)

 

-no disagreement at all, Neal, with emphasis on "a research agenda with appropriate outcomes to determine whether the educational interventions make things better, worse, or have no effect"

-un saludo juan gérvas

 

2017-01-19 20:07 GMT+01:00 Neal Maskrey <[log in to unmask]>:

I think you have misunderstood me. I was not suggesting that communications skills alone will address Mohammed’s question. To repeat, my suggestion was:-

>>We need a link between the consultation skills,  the EBM and the risk communication arenas.

 

The links you posted are well known to many of us. What we don’t have is momentum to develop a spiral curricula for undergrads, postgrads in specialist training and for lifelong learners to address the issue, and a research agenda with appropriate outcomes to determine whether the educational interventions make things better, worse, or have no effect. 

 

Best wishes

 

Neal

 

Neal Maskrey

Visiting Professor of Evidence-informed decision making, Keele University

Co-Lead ADVOCATE Field Studies, University of Amsterdam; a Horizon 2020 European Oral Health Project  www.advocateoralhealth.com

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On 19 Jan 2017, at 15:01, Neal Maskrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

We need a link between the consultation skills,  the EBM and the risk communication arenas.