On 17 January 2017 at 17:44, Rebecca Maskos <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi everyone,

just my two cents from Germany: Here disability (or ability) is rarely a category to be mentioned in diversity campaigns. Interesting, how different societal realitites produce different debates - the topic of "people first language" is not much discussed here, we are rather working on being part of debates and campaigns at all. That is not to say that it is not important to talk about the patronizing notion of such campaigns or the pitfalls of "people first languate".

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Am 14.01.17 um 17:02 schrieb Vincent West:

apologies - I over-simplified to make the point that the UN Convention on the Rights of Disabled People can be used to support barrier removal as a core element of a Social Model approach

Vin

On 14 Jan 2017, at 15:50, Simi Linton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I would like to comment on one element of this discussion - the notion that US is made up of predominantly person-first users. There's tremendous variation BUT in activist, arts and academic circles dis-first language is the predominant choice. Educational and government entities do use people-first despite our best efforts. Parent groups do as well. The latter, I believe, are the most invested in that language and the beliefs that go along with it. They have power in many domains.
I've countered the claim made by U.K. and other folks in writing and in person numerous times that US is a person-first country. It ain't so!!
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017, 3:36 AM, Vincent West <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

That's because the UN meets in New York and there is a predominantly 'person-first' terminology in the US but the Convention is nevertheless Social Model document: I paraphrased before in haste but the original wording the Preamble is:

"(e) Recognizing that disability is an evolving concept and that disability results from the interaction between persons with impairments and attitudinal and environmental barriers that hinders their full and effective participation in society on an equal basis with others,"

Vin

On 13 Jan 2017, at 18:26, Mike Llywelyn Cox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Vin.

Excellent observations but I’m not sure about the UN convention recognising the social model - their title says it all …”people WITH disabilities..."

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On 13 Jan 2017, at 10:35, Vincent West <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Beth,
for me in the UK this raises two thoughts initially: firstly one of the campaign slogans from the early days “piss on pity” - forthright but to the point in that it is not ‘respect’ or other forms of patronising attitude that disabled people demand but a removal of barriers; secondly “nothing about us without us” - which goes to your observation that none of this work should have gone ahead without detailed discussions with the people or groups affected or referred to. As you imply, “all abilities” language uses the term ‘disability’ to mean impairment, whereas the UN Convention holds that disability is caused by society when unnecessary barriers to inclusion are created and maintained so that people with impairments are prevented from accessing all that life has to offer.

So I would suggest that the posters themselves demonstrate that disabled people and others with protected characteristics [UK legal terminology] have already been excluded by the way the campaign has been organised and the ideal solution would be to start the process again and this time talk to [more importantly listen to] all sections of society so that they are actually behaving inclusively instead of just talking about it.

While I feel that these sort of campaigns are incredibly patronising I can also see that this comes from ignorance and not malign intentions - but the same solution to that is to talk to disabled people - and make sure disabled people can use your premises - and employ disabled people etc. etc.

If these businesses genuinely do want to be inclusive - across gender, transgender, sexual orientation, religion and non-religion, age, ethnicity, race, married state, pregnancy and motherhood then at least you will be pushing an open door rather than fighting bigotry but I would urge that businesses’ actions will speak louder than words or posters.

Best of luck!

Vin

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On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:30, Beth Omansky <00000727d609656f-dmarc-[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello all -

Two different poster styles about *welcoming diversity* are on display in business and restaurants where I live. Both include disability, but not in appropriate ways. One poster style welcomes all genders, all races, all religions and "all abilities". The other one welcomes the same groups but does not "welcome" disabled people. Instead, it reads, "we respect disabilities." Apparently, the campaigns designers failed to consult disabled people beforehand.

Do you think we should advocate for inclusion on the posters, but with different language? If so, what would you want them to say? (Not "people first" language, please.) Or, would it be better to request we not be included in such campaigns until their businesses are made ADA-accessible?   Or, not be included at all, period?

A nondisabled colleague and I will be addressing our local business association regarding the posters, and I would appreciate your input about what we might suggest to them as alternative language as well as whether we wish to be included at all.

Finally, are these types of *diversity* campaigns popping up where you live?

Thank you and cheers,

Beth Omansky

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