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Hi Laura, thanks for your info. I think we have a pretty strong and active disability rights movement in Germany currently. But we also face a strong resistance of institutionalised segregation, exkluding state legislation and patronizing attitudes. I think the question of how far ahead we are in terms of disability rights and inclusion is not only in the responsibility of activists. I know the British organisations that you mention very well, and it would be definetely good to have more international cooperation. I think this is slowly coming ahead, but not all disabled people in Germany speak english and not all are able to travel. So it's only up to the few who have international connections to get support from other countries. But, like I said, it's not to say that there is nothing happening in Germany - in 2014 and 2015 we organized a Mad and Disability Pride Parade in Berlin with a couple of thousand people attending, and 2016 we had numerous demonstrations fighting against a new law that threats independent living with a total of several thousand participants nationwide. Best Rebecca Am 18.01.17 um 12:55 schrieb laura welti: > That's interesting to note Rebecca. I had rather assumed Germany's > Disabled people's movement would be a little further ahead than that. > > Do you have contact with any UK Disabled people's organisations? If > not, you might want to contact Disabled People Against the Cuts (DPAC) > of Disability Action Network (DAN) about how to raise the profile of > the issues Disabled people are facing and get your voice heard, and > Inclusion London about policy and strategic matters. > > I can't promise but I imagine they would be very happy to share some > of their knowledge/experience with you. > > Laura > > > On 17 January 2017 at 17:44, Rebecca Maskos > <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > just my two cents from Germany: Here disability (or ability) is > rarely a category to be mentioned in diversity campaigns. > Interesting, how different societal realitites produce different > debates - the topic of "people first language" is not much > discussed here, we are rather working on being part of debates and > campaigns at all. That is not to say that it is not important to > talk about the patronizing notion of such campaigns or the > pitfalls of "people first languate". > > Best > Rebecca Maskos > > Am 14.01.17 um 17:02 schrieb Vincent West: >> apologies - I over-simplified to make the point that the UN >> Convention on the Rights of Disabled People can be used to >> support barrier removal as a core element of a Social Model approach >> >> Vin >> >>> On 14 Jan 2017, at 15:50, Simi Linton <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to comment on one element of this discussion - the >>> notion that US is made up of predominantly person-first users. >>> There's tremendous variation BUT in activist, arts and academic >>> circles dis-first language is the predominant choice. >>> Educational and government entities do use people-first despite >>> our best efforts. Parent groups do as well. The latter, I >>> believe, are the most invested in that language and the beliefs >>> that go along with it. They have power in many domains. >>> I've countered the claim made by U.K. and other folks in writing >>> and in person numerous times that US is a person-first country. >>> It ain't so!! >>> Simi Linton >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> >>> >>> On Saturday, January 14, 2017, 3:36 AM, Vincent West >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> That's because the UN meets in New York and there is a >>> predominantly 'person-first' terminology in the US but the >>> Convention is nevertheless Social Model document: I >>> paraphrased before in haste but the original wording the >>> Preamble is: >>> "(/e/) /Recognizing /that disability is an evolving concept >>> and that disability results from the interaction between >>> persons with impairments and attitudinal and environmental >>> barriers that hinders their full and effective participation >>> in society on an equal basis with others," >>> >>> Vin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 18:26, Mike Llywelyn Cox >>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Vin. >>>> >>>> Excellent observations but I’m not sure about the UN >>>> convention recognising the social model - their title says >>>> it all …”people WITH disabilities..." >>>> >>>> Heddwch >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Mike Llywelyn Cox >>>> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/micoxy?ref=name >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/micoxy?ref=name> >>>> http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com >>>> <http://micoxpplog.blogspot.com/> >>>> An Equal Lives member (www.equallives.org.uk >>>> <http://www.equallives.org.uk/>) >>>> A DPAC Norfolk member >>>> (http://www.facebook.com/DPACNorfolk?ref=ts&fref=ts >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/DPACNorfolk?ref=ts&fref=ts>) >>>> A NSUN (http://www.nsun.org.uk <http://www.nsun.org.uk/>) >>>> member. >>>> A http://www.solnetwork.org.uk >>>> <http://www.solnetwork.org.uk/> member. >>>> >>>> >>>> All views and statements expressed here are entirely my own >>>> and, unless stated otherwise, not those of any other >>>> individual or organisation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 10:35, Vincent West >>>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Beth, >>>>> for me in the UK this raises two thoughts initially: >>>>> firstly one of the campaign slogans from the early days >>>>> “piss on pity” - forthright but to the point in that it is >>>>> not ‘respect’ or other forms of patronising attitude that >>>>> disabled people demand but a removal of barriers; secondly >>>>> “nothing about us without us” - which goes to your >>>>> observation that none of this work should have gone ahead >>>>> without detailed discussions with the people or groups >>>>> affected or referred to. As you imply, “all abilities” >>>>> language uses the term ‘disability’ to mean impairment, >>>>> whereas the UN Convention holds that disability is caused >>>>> by society when unnecessary barriers to inclusion are >>>>> created and maintained so that people with impairments are >>>>> prevented from accessing all that life has to offer. >>>>> So I would suggest that the posters themselves demonstrate >>>>> that disabled people and others with protected >>>>> characteristics [UK legal terminology] >>>>> have _*already*_ been excluded by the way the campaign has >>>>> been organised and the ideal solution would be to start >>>>> the process again and this time talk to [more importantly >>>>> listen to] all sections of society so that they are >>>>> actually _behaving_ inclusively instead of just talking >>>>> about it. >>>>> While I feel that these sort of campaigns are incredibly >>>>> patronising I can also see that this comes from ignorance >>>>> and not malign intentions - but the same solution to that >>>>> is to talk to disabled people - and make sure disabled >>>>> people can use your premises - and employ disabled people >>>>> etc. etc. >>>>> >>>>> If these businesses genuinely do want to be inclusive - >>>>> across gender, transgender, sexual orientation, religion >>>>> and non-religion, age, ethnicity, race, married state, >>>>> pregnancy and motherhood then at least you will be pushing >>>>> an open door rather than fighting bigotry but I would urge >>>>> that businesses’ actions will speak louder than words or >>>>> posters. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck! >>>>> >>>>> Vin >>>>> Vin West MBE >>>>> Chair Arfon Access Group >>>>> Glyn Dwr >>>>> Llandwrog Uchaf >>>>> Caernarfon >>>>> LL54 7RA >>>>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:30, Beth Omansky >>>>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all - >>>>>> >>>>>> Two different poster styles about *welcoming diversity* >>>>>> are on display in business and restaurants where I live. >>>>>> Both include disability, but not in appropriate ways. >>>>>> One poster style welcomes all genders, all races, all >>>>>> religions and "all abilities". The other one welcomes >>>>>> the same groups but does not "welcome" disabled people. >>>>>> Instead, it reads, "we respect disabilities." >>>>>> Apparently, the campaigns designers failed to consult >>>>>> disabled people beforehand. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think we should advocate for inclusion on the >>>>>> posters, but with different language? If so, what would >>>>>> you want them to say? (Not "people first" language, >>>>>> please.) Or, would it be better to request we not be >>>>>> included in such campaigns until their businesses are >>>>>> made ADA-accessible? Or, not be included at all, period? >>>>>> >>>>>> A nondisabled colleague and I will be addressing our >>>>>> local business association regarding the posters, and I >>>>>> would appreciate your input about what we might suggest >>>>>> to them as alternative language as well as whether we >>>>>> wish to be included at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, are these types of *diversity* campaigns popping >>>>>> up where you live? >>>>>> Thank you and cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Beth Omansky >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ******************* >>>>>> You should never let your fears prevent you from doing >>>>>> what you know is right.* * >>>>>> Aung San Suu Kyi >>>>>> ****************** >>>>>> /Beth Omansky, Ph.D./ >>>>>> Portland, OR >>>>>> USA >>>>>> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________End of message________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by >>>>>> the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of >>>>>> Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies >>>>>> <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies>). >>>>>> >>>>>> Enquiries about list administration should be sent >>>>>> to [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Archives and tools are located >>>>>> at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >>>>>> <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in >>>>>> to this web page. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________End of message________________ >>>>> >>>>> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the >>>>> Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds >>>>> (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies >>>>> <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies>). >>>>> >>>>> Enquiries about list administration should be sent >>>>> to [log in to unmask] >>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>>> >>>>> Archives and tools are located >>>>> at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >>>>> <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html> >>>>> >>>>> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in >>>>> to this web page. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> ________________End of message________________ >>> >>> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the >>> Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds >>> (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies >>> <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies>). >>> >>> Enquiries about list administration should be sent >>> to [log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> Archives and tools are located >>> at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >>> <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html> >>> >>> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to >>> this web page. >>> >> >> ________________End of message________________ >> >> This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre >> for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds >> (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies >> <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies>). >> >> Enquiries about list administration should be sent to >> [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> Archives and tools are located at: >> www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html >> <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html> >> >> You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this >> web page. >> > > > -- > Rebecca Maskos > Weserstr. 1 > 12047 Berlin > > 030 - 63 42 06 24 > 0173 -23 29 021 > http://rebecca-maskos.net/ > > ________________End of message________________ > > This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre > for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds > (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies > <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies>). > > Enquiries about list administration should be sent to > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > Archives and tools are located at: > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > <http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html> > > You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this > web page. > > > > > -- > > > Laura J Welti > Forum Manager > > *Download a copy of our Disabled People's Manifesto for Bristol here!* > <http://www.bristoldef.org.uk/2016/08/19/bristol-disabled-peoples-manifesto/#.V_41g8lzpvN> > > Bristol Disability Equality Forum, Registered Charity 1146576 > St Pauls Family and Learning Centre > 94 Grosvenor Rd, Bristol BS2 8XJ > 078 10 50 67 30 (after 11am Mon-Thurs only) > > This message is sent in confidence to the addressee and may contain > information that is confidential. 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