Dear all
I know we're discussing UK provision here, but just to get a different perspective, I was at Oslo University last Friday for the 50th birthday party of their Educational Development Centre (called FUP) which started offering courses for HE teachers in 1966!
Prof Gunnar Handl (now aged 80) still works four days a week in the Centre.
Attached is their birthday cake, which 200 people munched their way through.
Best
Ray
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Hi Chrissie and colleagues,
As several others have now alluded to, there seems to be two chases on here: one to find the first dedicated HE course, and one to find the first wider post-compulsory course, (and the blurring of the two).
My direct experience of this was working on the part-time post-compulsory course at Canterbury Christ Church in the 1990s, which had a dedicated HE pathway for academics based at the university, another one for those in adult ed, and the largest one for those working in the local FE colleges. The core content was not different, only the cohorts changed the discursive elements. I also remember working on the full time PGCE which was primarily aimed at preparing people (pre-service) to work in FE, but included placement possibilities for those who wished to work in HE or HE in FE. Christ Church got its first dedicated and separate HE course in 1999 (from memory).
A related question thus becomes whether the basic principles of adult learning are in fact core across FE and HE ITE course, and/or whether there is a distinct HE pedagogy which is different from an FE one, and related to that whether the term 'post-compulsory' includes or excludes HE. To some extent that question got answered by policy decisions rather than educational/epistemological decisions, when it became mandatory for FE lecturer courses to be mapped against the FENTO standards, then LLUK standards, which coincided with many HE courses aligning with the ILT and then the UKPSF. I conducted some research on this aspect a few years ago and found very few 'dual badged' courses able to survive the bureaucratic demands of aligning with two separate professional standards frameworks.
Perhaps this accords with other people's experiences?
One other aspect seems to be that in the early days (70s, 80s, early 90s) post school teacher ed crews seemed to be the same people, but increasingly they seemed to get separated, and often ended up working in different depts and schools.
Best
John
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On 7 Dec 2016, at 02:04, Phil Race <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Regarding Scotland, there existed CICED, the Central Institutions Committee for Educational Development, combining the Polytechnics Robert Gordon, Napier, Dundee, Glasgow and Paisley I think. Henry Ellington of RGIT wrote a series of booklets, and later I wrote 2 more series, and was external for the RGIT Course.
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Phil
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News from Brookes below
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Mick
It was probably 1982. I ran a non-Certificate course for a couple of years after I got there. There wereCert Ed FEs running at quite a few Polys that became FE/HE and thenHE, from much earlier. Huddersfield is my guess for the earliest, back to the 1970s.
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On 6 Dec 2016, at 10:54, HEALEY, Mick (Prof) <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
FYI - Brookes
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Not sure
about 1980
Graham Gibbs would know as he created it
I note no mention of of Scotland - I think that Edinburgh was a very earlier pioneer in having a unit focused on improving teaching
Alan
On 05/12/2016 20:51, HEALEY, Mick (Prof) wrote:
When did PgCert at Brookes start?
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Dear colleagues,
Thank you so much to all who replied so far to my PgCert question.
I have summarised your responses in the following spreadsheet. Please feel free to add further information about the specific programmes and other once that might not be there yet. So far, the Teeside PgCert seems to be the earliest PgCert.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b1oqMDgwnvFPW2wmsGBTaxMkJY23qaGThe3_yzF5hws/edit?usp=sharinghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b1oqMDgwnvFPW2wmsGBTaxMkJY23qaGThe3_yzF5hws/edit?usp=sharing
Thank you all for responding to my call for help.
Chrissi, from MMU
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