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Hi I have removed this person from the list, but would like to remind members that queries about membership should be sent to [log in to unmask], not to the list itself. Even better, you can manage your own list memberships via https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/ cheers Douglas On 12/4/2016 5:55 PM, Samhowbat wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> -please, Amy, go to the subject "Acceptable? BMJ & Ann Intern Med. >> misleading use of words - influenza vaccine study" where we have >> discussed in this list the topic of the impact on deaths of the >> influenza vaccine, in RCT >> -by the way, influenza vaccine coverage is more than 50%; it is 63.4% >> in people aged ≥65 years >> http://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1516estimates.htm >> -about population sick days >> [Cochrane Review] Vaccination shows no appreciable effect on working >> days lost or hospitalisation. >> http://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-to-prevent-influenza-in-healthy-adults >> <http://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-to-prevent-influenza-in-healthy-adults> >> -but, in general, *death* by influenza is always in papers about >> influenza vaccine, even in the media when the CDC recommend it every >> year >> -see the first words of the CDC paper i have sent previously about >> "influenza vaccine coverage" >> http://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1415estimates.htm >> <http://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1415estimates.htm> : >> *Influenza (flu) can cause serious illness and death...* >> -introducing fear where they have no scientific knowledge, and where >> the data show no impact >> http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2585966 >> <http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2585966> >> http://www.medicalbag.com/medicine/us-mortality-rates-from-infectious-diseases-holding-steady/article/575032/ >> <http://www.medicalbag.com/medicine/us-mortality-rates-from-infectious-diseases-holding-steady/article/575032/> >> -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas >> >> 2016-12-04 16:12 GMT+01:00 healingjia Price <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>: >> >> Dear all, >> >> People are also living longer due to better supportive care. It >> would be interesting to see if the ages at which they succumb to >> pneumonia are constant and to compare vaccinated v unvaccinated >> populations, of course these are often low resource so there >> would have to be adjustments for that. It would also be >> intriguing to look at population sick days. >> >> Best >> >> Amy >> >> *From: *"[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>" >> <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Tom >> Jefferson <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *Reply-To: *Tom Jefferson <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *Date: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 6:25 AM >> *To: *"[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>" >> <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *Subject: *Re: USA: What is the impact of the influenza vaccine? >> >> Yes, it's the same trend that Peter Doshi picked up in 2008 in >> his eminal paper on AJPH. >> >> Steady - no visible effect of any of the CDC policies. >> >> But it's ecology. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Tom. >> >> >> Dr Tom Jefferson >> >> Honorary Research Fellow >> >> Centre for Evidence Based Medicine >> >> Oxford OX2 6GG >> >> On 4 December 2016 at 12:21, Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> -what is the use of the influenza vaccine (even mandatory for >> health professionals!) in the USA where almost half of the >> population get the vaccine (around 150 millions each year)? >> (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1415estimates.htm >> <http://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1415estimates.htm> ) >> US Mortality Rates from Infectious Diseases Holding Steady. >> Pneumonia and influenza were the most common causes, >> accounting for 38.3% of infectious disease deaths during that >> time period. The mortality rate from pneumonia and the flu >> held steady between 1980 and 2014, at 17.1 per 100,000. >> http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2585966 >> <http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2585966> >> http://www.medicalbag.com/medicine/us-mortality-rates-from-infectious-diseases-holding-steady/article/575032/ >> <http://www.medicalbag.com/medicine/us-mortality-rates-from-infectious-diseases-holding-steady/article/575032/> >> -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas MD, PhD, retired rural GP, >> visiting professor National School of Public Health (Dep of >> International Health, Madrid-Spain), visiting professor >> (1991-2003) Johns Hopkins School of Public Health (Dep of >> Health Policy and Management, Baltimore-USA) >> >> -- Douglas Badenoch Director, Minervation Ltd ------------------------- T: +44 131 441 4699 M: +44 781 742 3262 www.minervation.com @DBadenoch --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus