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Hi Kent, I was just thinking of providing one. Some of the discussion has been pointless but one or two things of value may have surfaced. But I’ll wait for the jeers and trolling to abate. Jamie From: Kent Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: a bit much (a request) Could I ask a favor. This discussion on poetry vis a vis song has gotten very involved and with, by now, so many side-branches that it's nigh fractal in nature. Could someone involved in the debate offer an impartial outline of the terms of argument for both sides? What are the central positions here, if they can be reconstructed? This might allow other people to weigh in with more confidence, and feel they are doing so without stepping into the middle of a pissing match. >>> David Lace <[log in to unmask]> 10/27/16 2:13 PM >>> Yes, you did mention those other too. -----------------Original Message------------------ Jamie McKendrick wrote: Sorry (damned mini-keyboard on the iPhone) I hit the send button instead of the delete! But since It's been sent I might as well finish the sentence: And what 'literary theory'? I think I'm the only person to have made explicit reference to any literary theorists. To Giorgio Agamben and to Wellek and Warren. Prior to the recent mention of Reception Theory, A propos, I'm wondering how many poets here are much concerned with or even interested in literary theory? I tend to glaze over after a few pages, and I don't say that with any particular pride. Jamie