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You are right, I should have said instead "I was trying to get Jamie to focus on this, so as to get him to explain what exactly he meant". -----------------------Original Message--------------------------- Robin Hamilton wrote: "I tried to pin Jamie down on this ..." I knew it had to happen. The list has finally morphed, in some people's minds, into the WWWF, and we're all apparently writhing around on a mat trying to, what was the cliche used, "pin each other down". I thought this was supposed to be a discussion list, not a brawl in a children's playground to see who could score the most points. All we need now is for Donald Turnip to appear to adjudicate the contest, and then wander off having registered his franchise to the rights to the entire fiasco.