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It's also worth remembering that the Frog *** has previous in this area -- he's given to using the biggest weapon in his arsenal, regardless of consequence. Consider, for example, his current use of Bill Clinton's backstory, used because his poll numbers are falling, despite the fact that his behaviour accelerates that same fall, together with his instant reaction to journalistic criticism, which is to sue. And of course, he's cheerfully noted that when (sic) he's President, he'll make this easier to do. Also, to paraphrase something he once said, "Why have nukes if you're not prepared to use them?" (and he wasn't talking about nuclear disarmament). All in all, I'm with Bernie Sanders in this area -- a canny pol, as well as (by all appearances) a thoroughly nice man, together with being reasonably sane in his political views. I wonder how he'll play it? He's got a rock-solid base in Vermont, and now, national recognition and a high profile. Maybe the time has come ... Any Americans on the list know how the neo-Wobblies are swinging? My shorthand for the grassroots hard left activists who cluster around Z. That's a constituency Bernie could draw in, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's quietly (for obvious reasons) making overtures. He's probably a bit too soft-liberal for their taste, but not so much so that they wouldn't (I'd guess) grit their teeth and support a movement he powered. Robin *** That's because, looking over one of my previous posts here, I thought to myself, "My god, Trump! Did I actually say Trump?" On another list I'm on -- well, I wouldn't have been banned, but there would have been some surprise. I new arrival plaintively enquired why no one ever used Trump's name, since he was a candidate for president. I think someone replied, and gently tried to explain, but mostly it seemed just the obvious thing to do. There is a fascinating range of avoidance techniques -- my own favoured Frog, Tr*mp, Tr-mp, T---p ... I could go on. But "Never Trump!" (TM) Horses for courses ... Why is it that (they seem to be born that way?) linguists are, as a group, bred-in-the-bone left? Not just Chomsky, but his Great Opposite, M.A.K.Halliday, founder of Systemic Functional Linguistics, who in his younger days was known as the Edinburgh Maoist? It seems to go all the way down the chain, reaching as far as even baby linguists like me. The only question being where exactly on the left-cline do you lie? On that particular list, I'm considered not so much pedantic as amusingly lightweight. They also grok register-jumping. It could almost be said that you're not allowed into the club if you don't get this. Odd that, but. R. > > On 20 October 2016 at 13:48 Pierre Joris <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > David, > > That’s silly: Trump is scary in more random apocalyptic ways; HC is just a > continuation of the same, in some departments possibly an improvement on > Obama, in one, foreign policy, not an improvement though she is unlikely to > unleash any kind of apocalypse, exactly because her (too close) links with > wall street etc. will keep her on the straight and narrow as far as the > survival of capitalism is concerned. And apocalyptic war would benefit only > one tiny slice of the capitalists for one tiny moment, while 90% & more would > lose in case of armageddon. p.s. American Presidents are elected for four > years, not five. > > Pierre > > > On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:34 PM, David Lace <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Thanks, Kent, for drawing more attention to this. > > > > Clinton scares me shitless—pardon my Latin. Trump is scary in other less > > apocalyptic ways. Five years of him is survivable. Five years of > > Clinton....will it even go to five before armageddon? > > > > > > > > > > -------------------Original Message-------------------- > > > > Kent Johnson wrote: > > > > Jill Stein, in the article provided by David Lace, does have a very > > disturbing point. > > > > http://www.inquisitr.com/3608819/world-war-3-with-russia-could-start-over-clintons-proposed-no-fly-zone-in-syria-says-historian/ > > > > Here is what a friend (a very respected poet-activist hereabouts) wrote > > regarding the threat: > > > > there is no question that a no-fly zone over syria, calling putin > > hitler, amassing troops & missiles on russia’s borders, false > > accusations about hacking & a hundred & one other things have killary > > with her hand on the button, ready to press, at the behest of the whole > > fucking kit & caboodle of israel, wall st., arms manufacturers, saudi > > arabia etc. it is ALL about energy in this entropic world: whether a > > pipeline goes from russia to europe or whether the us maintains its > > global domination through the saudi & gulf scumbags who bankroll jihad, > > ISIS etc. i could go on & on but that’s the long & the short of it… will > > read your thing you just sent - > > > > i’ve been writing, as an homage to ed dorn, what i’m calling: > > > > Imperial Abhorrences (& Other Abominations) - here is a recent one, not > > for posting/publication yet as i’m trying to work them into some > > coherency: > > > > 2016 Mainstream Election Options: [deleted by me, KJ, for now] >