-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Oct 19, 2016 5:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Britain vs. U.S. Poetry war

Good to know we can now chalk up visceral racism and anti-Semitism in poets to just being "humans"!

Thanks, Mark Yorick!

>>> Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> 10/19/16 4:18 PM >>>

Rather like humans, Jamie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Oct 19, 2016 5:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Britain vs. U.S. Poetry war

This stuff makes Dylan look squeaky clean. (Though I seem to remember a few nasty verses about Arabs...)
  I guess it goes to show artistic excellence doesn't always (ever?) come in a stainless package.

On 19 Oct 2016, at 21:08, Kent Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Jamie,

Yes, she wrote speeches for Petain, said Hitler should win the Nobel Prize (speaking of).

WCW more or less mocked the Japanese who were obliterated at Hiroshima in a letter to Byron Vasakas.

Maybe the saintly Lorine Niedecker would be a choice, given her horror of the bomb, but then again, she laid the blame for it in the following poem:

New

Reason explodes. Atomic split

shows one element

Jew

>>> Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]> 10/19/16 3:01 PM >>>
 

God, I didn’t know that. I’ll have to find another ‘contrary’ American.

Carlos Williams perhaps?

 

Jamie

 

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Subject: Re: Britain vs. U.S. Poetry war

 

>only too keen to offer his advice to Mussolini and everyone else. A contrary US view might be Gertrude Stein referring to him as a ‘village explainer’.

Then again, Stein was a fascist sympathizer, too, keen to offer her advice to Petain (and everyone else)...

>>> Jamie McKendrick <[log in to unmask]> 10/19/16 2:31 PM >>>

I’m sure this is in part ironic, Jaime, but if individuals are to be held responsible for their nation’s politics, in the light of some recent choices we Brits, instead of being offered apologies, should be saying mea culpa in perpetuum.

   Was Pound that ‘alienated’ being abroad? – he seems to have occupied every space as if it was his fiefdom,

only too keen to offer his advice to Mussolini and everyone else. A contrary US view might be Gertrude Stein referring to him as a ‘village explainer’. ‘Fine if you’re a village; if not, not.’

Jamie

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