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The worker-class status supplies material in experience and sometimes language which can be availed or not, and is easily transgressed. But I don't see the point of supplying a list of names which will lead you and others here to poems you probably won't like. And anyway none of them are necessarily thus and thus at all times, nor are most other poets. People will also be put off by the way some of them have been taken up by the "industry" and taken to large-scale prize-winning, being in-demand, and generally making a successful career out of poetry, a weird and unholy notion to most poets. Also pursuing identity agendas very hotly. It's just a hope I glimpse on the ground, maybe a ghost or some washing flapping in the wind on the outskirts of Rochdale. But there have been strong poems as well as truly funny poems. Andrew MacMillan, Kim Moore, Steve Ely. That's enough. I have reviewed two of these in the Fortnightly Review but people here seem not to read those things (there was a lot about "lyric" in a recent review of Denise Riley which might have helped reduce some of the head- scratching). Next I want to investigate Keith Hutson, who writes sonnets about northern comedians, I believe. pr On 21 Oct 2016, at 07:40, David Bircumshaw wrote: Peter I'm afraid I'm as much an enemy of a 'working-class poetic' as of a middle-class one. Particularly if school teachers are involved. Not that I wouldn't be interested to see the something more tomorrow. On 21 October 2016 at 00:18, Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: -- David Joseph Bircumshaw The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw Tumblr: http://zantikus.tumblr.com/ twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/