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Thanks Alex. It does seem odd, and I know there's some Simitive SPs in the aggregated metadata as that's what I used to "guess" what theirs might be. It's all very odd. To be honest, from my point of view it doesn't make any odds to me if it's via the UK Federation or not but the lack of metadata and asking for my private keys is quite concerning... Chhers James -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for Shibboleth developments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alex Stuart Sent: 07 September 2016 09:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Integration with a Simitive SP Hi James I’m working for the UK federation support team, rather than an organization that uses Simitive’s SP. I can say that Simitive have several SPs registered with the UK federation (the last one was in April this year) but none for Napier so far. It does seem strange that they want to set up a bilateral agreement with you since they’ve gone through the UK federation so far. And it’s obvious that the person you’re dealing with has not understood the use of SAML metadata and the public keys it contains. Just to be explicit, SAML metadata does not contain private keys. Regards, Alex Stuart UK federation support team > On 7 Sep 2016, at 09:31, Todd, James <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Morning everyone. Apologies for the X-post. > > I’m not running a Shibboleth IdP, but I am having some issues with a vendor and their Shibboleth SP. Also I’m hoping that some other institutions may have come across Simitive before and also I don’t think I’m dealing with a Shibboleth specific problem here, more a problem with a vendor. > > Basically I’m trying to integrate my PingFederate IdP with Simitive (cloud hosted HR solution provider). It’s been an odd experience so far. > > First up I asked if I could have their metadata so I could use that to create the trust on my side. They said they “didn’t publish metadata”. Odd, but fair enough. So I asked for some details like an EntityID, ACS endpoints and so on so I could do it manually. They then sent me a shibboleth2.xml file and told me it was their metadata. Clearly this isn’t the case and didn’t contain any of the data I needed. Anyway, we got past that and I manually created a trust on my side with mostly “best guess” efforts (like assuming the AssertionConsumerService endpoints). I then sent them my metadata with public key. > > Then an odd thing happened: they asked for my IdP’s private key which I’m certainly in no mood to give out. They sent me a link to the Shibboleth documentation claiming this was necessary; I read the documentation and came to a whole different conclusion. > > I know other Universities have used Simitive and done so via SAML, so I’m hoping that someone else has dealt with them before and I wonder if your encounters were as messy? > > Also, I’m hoping that my horror at being asked for my IdPs private key is justified. I was under the impression my IdP would encrypt the assertion with their public key which could only be decrypted by their private key. Even just for my own sanity I’m right, right? The vendor is now saying that *my* side of the bargain is holding up the project and I’m in no mood to get the blame for this! > > Cheers – and sorry for the long early morning email! > James > > James Todd > Data Centre & Operations Analyst > > Data Centre & Operations > Information Services > Edinburgh Napier University > Craiglockhart Campus > Edinburgh > EH12 1DJ > > Tel No: 0131 455 4313 > Email: [log in to unmask] > Twitter: @EdNapITSupport / @EdNapLib > > > > > > > This message and its attachment(s) are intended for the addressee(s) only and should not be read, copied, disclosed, forwarded or relied upon by any person other than the intended addressee(s) without the permission of the sender. 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