Agreed. Happy to keep one list.

Dr Maggie Scott
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From: External examiners discussion forum [mailto:EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Martyn Evans
Sent: 26 September 2016 09:40
To: [log in to unmask]AC.UK
Subject: Re: Liverpool John Moores University wishes to appoint 3 external examiners for our validated BA (Hons) Business Management degree.-

My thoughts exactly Harvey. The simple solution is perhaps the best.

Professor Martyn Evans
Manchester School of Art
Manchester Metropolitan University
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On 26/09/2016 09:38, "Harvey Woolf" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


I can't help feeling that creating another list is generating unnecessary work.
 Why can't those who don't want to read the adverts hit the delete key when ads rears their  head, and the non-discussion folk do the same for the ads?

Harvey

> On 26 September 2016 at 09:22 nwellman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Dan/Julian/Loykie
>
> The issue seems to be someone to undertake the migration then take on
> ownership (no, I'm not volunteering either- I'm retired).
>
> Neil
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Wells, Julian" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]ac.uk
> Sent: 26/09/2016 09:09:55
> Subject: Re: Liverpool John Moores University wishes to appoint 3
> external examiners for our validated BA (Hons) Business Management
> degree.-
>
> >Setting up JISCmail lists can be done by virtually anyone with a
> >staff job at a UK HE institution, and it¹s quick and easy to do so
> >(no, I¹m not volunteering ­ I own quite enough lists already).
> >
> >
> >
> >So setting up (e.g.) new EE-APPOINTMENTS and EE-DISCUSSION would be
> >straightforward (as should be migrating members to the new lists;
> >less sure about simply changing a listname).
> >
> >
> >
> >Julian
> >
> >
> >
> >From: External examiners discussion forum
> >[mailto:EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of dwe robbins
> >Sent: 26 September 2016 06:29
> >To:EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> >Subject: Re: Liverpool John Moores University wishes to appoint 3
> >external examiners for our validated BA (Hons) Business Management
> >degree.-
> >
> >
> >
> >Well said Loykie,
> >
> >I understand this point/suggestion has been raised before. However,
> >there is clearly a need to at least consider this idea again.
> >
> >While I don't know the technicalities of seeing up a new list, I am
> >also a member of a 'list server' group, http://biomch-l.isbweb.org/
> >
> >This system has two advantages, firstly there can be categories,
> >which would help address the current issues. Secondly, the list
> >server sends out daily emails informing those who have subscribed to
> >a specific category which threads have been updated. This obviously
> >means users get less emails per day.
> >
> >I believe using the list server is free, it certainly is to members.
> >Non-members can view the forum/threads without joining, so the only
> >downside is the transition.
> >
> >Personally, I believe the benefits would outweigh the hassle.
> >
> >Regards
> >Dan
> >
> >Sent from my Fire
> >
> >
> >
> >On 26 September 2016, at 02:48, "Loykie.Lomine"
> ><[log in to unmask]uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Colleagues,
> >
> >I have the impression that there may be a need for two distinct JISC
> >lists:
> >
> >one solely to advertise EE vacancies (as some people wish to have
> >this)one rather for discussions i.e. a discussion forum for EE issues
> >(such as the one below) Of course many of us could/would subscribe to
> >both -- but not everyone is interested in the latter.
> >Would this be a good step forward in order to avoid the sort of
> >tension, stress and unhappiness we just experienced?
> >Does anyone know how to set up a JISC list?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Loykie
> >
>
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>>---
>>-------
> >From: External examiners discussion forum
> >[[log in to unmask]AC.UK] on behalf of Nigel Hudson
> >[[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: 25 September 2016 23:21
> >To:EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> >Subject: Re: Liverpool John Moores University wishes to appoint 3
> >external examiners for our validated BA (Hons) Business Management
> >degree.
> >
> >Thanks for that insight Zamanta., how patronising and condescending
> >of you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 25 Sep 2016, at 22:50, Samantha Rickenstow
> ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >>Nigel
> >>Please do your research before you start shooting from the hip
> >>
> >>I quote from the JISC Mail site for this list "This list will
> >>provide a discussion forum for people interested in external
> >>examining issues".
> >>
> >>Currently we are discussing external examiners issues.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Zamanta
> >>
> >>
> >>On 25 Sep 2016, at 19:21, Hudson, Nigel <[log in to unmask]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>Dear All
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Polite request. Please could this discussion move to a different
> >>thread so as to leave the External Examiners email free for requests
> >>for EEs only?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Nigel
> >>
> >>Nigel Hudson
> >>Senior Lecturer
> >>Nottingham Law School
> >>Nottingham Trent University,
> >>50 Shakespeare Street
> >>NOTTINGHAM
> >>NG1 4FQ 5LP
> >>
> >>Tel:  +44 (0)115 848 2197
> >>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >>Skype: nigel.hudson.nls
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 25 Sep 2016, at 19:01, Samantha Rickenstow
> >>><[log in to unmask]COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Well said Abi
> >>>
> >>>Zamanta
> >>>
> >>>Cool Dude in a Loose Mood
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 25 Sep 2016, at 18:12, Hunt, Abi <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Dear All
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don¹t usually comment on these discussions because they start
> >>>with good points and then descend into bickering about the function
> >>>of the list, grammar, and professionalism (so I¹m doing this with
> >>>trepidation). I would like to go back to the first response to this
> >>>call, which noted that yet again a UK university will only accept
> >>>External Examiners with prior experience. I have spent the last two
> >>>years trying to get an external examiner position with no luck. I
> >>>have lots of management and quality assurance experience from work
> >>>undertaken in my current institution, but just can¹t seem to get my
> >>>first external post.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think that some very good points have been made in the last year,
> >>>particularly the continuous calls from senior academics to make EE
> >>>positions more available for early career academics. So, I have a
> >>>question for members of this list:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>·         Is there anything we can do as an academic community to
> >>>raise this issue in a wider forum (PFHEA network for instance) in a
> >>>bid to influence change?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I look forward to seeing what you think.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Best wishes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Abi Hunt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dr Abi Hunt AMA, PFHEA.
> >>>
> >>>Head of Department for Marketing, Enterprise, and Tourism
> >>>
> >>>Lord Ashcroft International Business School
> >>>
> >>>Anglia Ruskin University
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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