[log in to unmask] type="cite">I'm with David on this one. It's no wonder academics are working 60+ hours per week if they have time to indulge in / impose this kind of nugatory discussion.
If one doesn't like a potential (secondary) employer's (entirely legitimate, if annoying) selection criteria - don't apply. We can chafe about the unfairness of it all we like - it's just shouting in an echo chamber.
For those of us who have spent most of our career outwith universities - this is completely a part of how the world works. I find it hard to believe that this is a recent phenomenon for the appointment of external examiner's and suchlike.
For our graduates, they're in a worse position because these sorts of criteria affect their ability to secure their first and main job.
The good news, someone will eventually give us that lucky break and acquire experience, whether that is as a result of responding to open adverts or from nurturing our personal networks.
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On 25 Sep 2016 9:41 a.m., David I Reid <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Seems a bit ranty to me Roy.
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On 25 Sep 2016 9:06 a.m., "Roy Hanney" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi David
I quote from the JISC Mail site for this list "This list will provide a discussion forum for people interested in external examining issues". Though it has largely become a channel for advertising positions and it would seem like that is appropriate and useful. It is also appropriate and useful for people to engage in discussion and debate here as well.
All the best.
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25 September 2016 at 09:00Hello.
With respect, this is a server for EE adverts. While I am interested in these kinds of questions and debates could you possibly create or suggest an alternative online space for them? At the moment it feels an imposition to receive these emails.
Thank you.
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On 24/09/2016 22:54, Roy Hanney wrote:
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