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I could refute all of your points but it would be nugatory to do so. (now, I must get on filling my 60+ hours by composing a sonnet on the effect of Brexit on the viscosity of long-chain polymer molecules for tomorrow's lecture) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mils Hills" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: 25/09/2016 10:13:36 Subject: Re: Liverpool John Moores University wishes to appoint 3 external examiners for our validated BA (Hons) Business Management degree. >I'm with David on this one. It's no wonder academics are working 60+ >hours per week if they have time to indulge in / impose this kind of >nugatory discussion. > >If one doesn't like a potential (secondary) employer's (entirely >legitimate, if annoying) selection criteria - don't apply. We can chafe >about the unfairness of it all we like - it's just shouting in an echo >chamber. > >For those of us who have spent most of our career outwith universities >- this is completely a part of how the world works. I find it hard to >believe that this is a recent phenomenon for the appointment of >external examiner's and suchlike. > >For our graduates, they're in a worse position because these sorts of >criteria affect their ability to secure their first and main job. > >The good news, someone will eventually give us that lucky break and >acquire experience, whether that is as a result of responding to open >adverts or from nurturing our personal networks. > ><< sent from my tablet >> > > >On 25 Sep 2016 9:41 a.m., David I Reid <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>Seems a bit ranty to me Roy. >> >> >>On 25 Sep 2016 9:06 a.m., "Roy Hanney" <[log in to unmask]> >>wrote: >>>Hi David >>> >>>I quote from the JISC Mail site for this list "This list will provide >>>a discussion forum for people interested in external examining >>>issues". Though it has largely become a channel for advertising >>>positions and it would seem like that is appropriate and useful. It >>>is also appropriate and useful for people to engage in discussion and >>>debate here as well. >>> >>>All the best. >>> >>>-- >>>Roy Hanney >>>Course Leader | Media Production | School of Media Arts & Technology >>>Southampton Solent University | East Park Terrace | Southampton SO14 >>>0YN >>>T: 07894 899 044 | E: [log in to unmask] | >>>http://www.solent.ac.uk >>> >>> >>>>David I Reid >>>>25 September 2016 at 09:00 >>>>Hello. >>>>With respect, this is a server for EE adverts. While I am interested >>>>in these kinds of questions and debates could you possibly create or >>>>suggest an alternative online space for them? At the moment it feels >>>>an imposition to receive these emails. >>>>Thank you. >>>>David. >>>> >>>> >>>>######################################################################## >>>>To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following >>>>link: >>>>https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >>>>Geoffrey Darnton >>>>25 September 2016 at 07:18 >>>>...oh, the stupidity in adverts for EE posts can have additional >>>>stupidities - there was an advert here recently for an EE requiring >>>>applicants to have a PhD! That was for an EE of regular programmes, >>>>not for appointment as a PhD examiner - how stupid is that? How on >>>>earth can the D-Level descriptors have any impact on competence to >>>>be an external examiner? - and that advert was from a university >>>>which of all entities should understand how incredibly narrow some >>>>PhDs are and the set of transferable skills in the D-Level >>>>descriptors is the narrowest set of transferable skills in all the >>>>level descriptors......I really worry about academics or academic >>>>managers who write adverts containing requirements like that.....! >>>> >>>> >>>>On 24/09/2016 22:54, Roy Hanney wrote: >>>> >>>>######################################################################## >>>>To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following >>>>link: >>>>https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >>>>Roy Hanney >>>>24 September 2016 at 22:54 >>>>Which came first the chicken or the egg? >>>> >>>>The UCU boycott aside, the insane logic of needing to have >>>>experience before being allowed to apply is stupidity at its most >>>>inane. >>>> >>>>Even a trained monkey could work that one out. >>>> >>>>Roy Hanney >>>> >>>>On 24 Sep 2016, at 19:32, mel martin <[log in to unmask]> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>######################################################################## >>>>To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following >>>>link: >>>>https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >>> >>######################################################################## >>To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following >>link: >>https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 > >######################################################################## >To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following >link: >https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1