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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture May I take a wild guess, Nicola, and wonder if you think our saint is depicted in Beckley's impressive, if in some respects enigmatic, wall-paintings? Not sure if James Rattue is on this List (will e-mail him separately to check) but he may have his notes for the entry in his 'Inventory of ancient and holy wells in Oxfordshire' in Oxoniensia 55 (1990), pp. 172-76, at p. 173: BECKLEY: St Donanverdh’s Well, SP 565123? Church dedicated to St Tinniver, a supposed Celtic Saint (M. Hobson and K. Price, Otmoor & Its Seven Towns [n.d.], p. 26). Bodleian catalogue has Mary Grizel Hobson as the book's sole author, publication year as 1961 and publication place as ‘Oxford?’. Only non-college open stacks copy in the Bodleian system is in Radcliffe Science Library, shelfmark P.222.204. Away from Oxford at the moment, but can pop in when back unless you're in the area, Nicola. James’ tentative OS reference point coincides with the well (as opposed to spring) marked next to Lower Farm on the OS 1:25,000 Sheet SP51 (1961) but not on any of the six-inch map from 1870 to 1970. This is notably down on the Otmoor level rather than on the high ground where two streams rise from springs east of the church north and east of the site of Beckley Palace. In my dataset of pre-Reformation Lincoln diocese dedications I treated the church said to be ‘dedicated to St Tinniver’ as distinct from Beckley’s parish church, whose dedication in honour of Mary seems supported by the wall-paintings (for images and commentary on which see Anne Marshall's wonderful 'Painted Church' site). However, the church has the look of a fourteenth-century rebuild (n.b. the oddly sited font of c.1200) which might have involved re-dedication. The question of this saint's identity is important, since Beckley was a large mother-church, prominently positioned beside a Roman road whose parish predated the (?tenth-century) shiring of this part of England and lay between two important royal residences, Islip, birthplace of Edward the Confessor, and Brill, one of that king's hunting lodges. As such, it might be expected to fall into John Blair's category of minster churches likely to have its own saint. Leland was extremely keen on British saints (perhaps with an eye on his Tudor employer) and may have overlooked the similarity of the name Domnanverdh (or Donanverdh? What's the spelling in Collectanea?) to that of St Domneva (Domna or Lady Eafe), seventh-century royal abbess and mother of saints. A South Midland royal saint may lie behind our Beckley puzzle, perhaps a member of Penda's saintly kin or a relative of Osyth of Aylesbury. A name in Ean-, as found e.g. in Eanburh and Eanflaed could lie behind both Leland's -anverdh, and the vernacular [Saint]-Inniver. Any learned List member care to hazard a second element? Best wishes Graham ________________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of John Dillon [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 21 July 2016 23:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] obscure anglo saxon saint medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Or one could help oneself by searching in Google for a combination of <Liuzza> AND <Leland>. The item is a brief notice in the Year's Work roundup in _Old English Newsletter_, vol. 39, no. 2 (Winter 2006), p. 12, of Nicholas Grant, "John Leland’s List of 'Places Where Saints Rest in England' ", _Analecta Bollandiana_ 122 (2004), 373-388. The notice in _OEN_ is available online here (the link given by Google is current): http://www.oenewsletter.org/OEN/archive/OEN39_2.pdf Best, John Dillon ________________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Jane Stemp Wickenden <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:33:10 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] obscure anglo saxon saint medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Wikipedia *blush* says that Leland is the only source, but does give another reference, Liuzza, RM (2006). "`"<http://www.oenewsletter.org/newOEN/archive/OEN39_2.pdf> (PDF). Old English News Letter (Medieval Institute, Western Michigan University<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Michigan_University>) 39 (2): 8. Unfortunately the link to the PDF is broken, but perhaps someone at WMU can help. Regards Jane On 21/07/2016 11:25, Nicola Lowe wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Thank you for all the fascinating info in Saint for the Day. Does anyone know anything about an Anglo Saxon saint whose shrine was reputedly at Beckley, Oxfordshire, please? The name might be Domnanverdh or Tinniver. The earliest reference I have found is in John Leland 's Places Where Saints Rest in England. Could she be St Dwynwen, Welsh virgin saint? Any help gratefully received. 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