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Although one might argue teaching is a craft skill Paul!? But of course realise that doesn't capture what we are trying to do through our programmes and development activities. Not sure Dilly, but good question to think about. We too are being instructed to think about our teaching programmes as possible apprenticeships, I too have raised issues re appropriateness and resource (time, workload). Currently seem to be concentrating on professions, but teacher ed already have standards. Sue Sent from my iPad > On 14 Jun 2016, at 19:26, Fung, Dilly <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Are people who already hold postgraduate qualifications actually eligible for these higher apprenticeships?? > > Dilly > > Prof Dilly Fung > Professor of Higher Education Development > Academic Director, UCL CALT > University College London > [log in to unmask] > @DevonDilly > > On 14 Jun 2016, at 19:22, Van der Velden, Gwen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> As said by colleagues, it’s not an attractive term in academia, but there is an obvious interest in gaining the apprenticeship levy back. Does the term ‘apprenticeship’ have to be used when such a thing would be implemented in an institution? >> >> I am aware that there are professions whereby there is substantial practice led teaching, and practitioners are interested in undertaking HE teaching development (architecture, medicine, dentistry, design) but I have no idea how that would work out in terms of time commitment etc. Maybe this is what is meant with the ‘Academic Professional’ terminology that gets used. To be fair, I expect that’s just a bit of bidding language and we possibly shouldn’t read to much into it. >> >> I think the HEA is leading on the proposal. Maybe we should ask for clarification there? >> >> Incidentally, I have previously heard reference to PhD students as academic apprentices. It’s been a while though! >> >> Another interesting development to watch… >> >> Professor Gwen van der Velden >> >> Academic Director of the Warwick International Higher Education Academy (WIHEA) >> Senate House room 1.11 >> University of Warwick >> >> Tel. +44 2476 5 23050 >> Mob +44 7431 072 427 >> >> http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/academy/ >> >> >> >> >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Blackmore, Paul >> Sent: 14 June 2016 13:54 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Apprenticeships >> >> >> No references spring to mind, but wasn't it traditionally the case that one would be apprenticed to a trade rather than a profession? It's an ideologically charged and often unhelpful distinction of course, but one I'd tend to keep away from when trying to make something attractive. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> Paul Blackmore PhD NTF FRSA >> Professor of Higher Education >> International Centre for University Policy Research >> Policy Institute at King's >> King's College London >> Virginia Woolf Building >> 22 Kingsway >> London WC2B 6NR >> >> Tel: 020 7848 1958 >> >> Recently published: >> Blackmore, P. (2016) Prestige in academic life: Excellence and exclusion, Abingdon: Routledge. >> https://www.routledge.com/products/9781138884946 >> >> Blackmore, P. (2016) The role of prestige in UK universities: Vice-chancellors' perspectives. London: Leadership Foundation for Higher Education. http://www.lfhe.ac.uk/en/research-resources/publications/index.cfm/S4-04 >> >> >> HE Green Paper: reforms will benefit the established elite, Times Higher Education blog December 17th 2015. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/he-green-paper-reforms-will-benefit-established-elite >> >> Universities vie for the metric that cannot be measured - prestige, Guardian, 29th March 2016 >> http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2016/mar/29/universities-vie-for-the-metric-that-cannot-be-measured-prestige >> >> Universities face a choice between prestige and efficiency, Times Higher Education blog, 5th April, 2016 https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/universities-face-choice-between-prestige-and-efficiency >> >> >> From: Online forum for SEDA, the Staff & Educational Development Association <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of George Roberts <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: 14 June 2016 12:12:32 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Apprenticeships >> >> What are the views on this list of regarding new lecturers as apprentices? In the context of the discussion about the apprenticeship levy. >> Are their any key thought pieces you are aware of? >> We are working on it. >> Thank you >> George >> >> Dr George Roberts >> Principal Lecturer, Educational Development >> Oxford Centre for Staff and Learning Development >> Oxford Brookes University >> [log in to unmask] >> >> +44 7711 698465 >> @georgeroberts >> >> Have you seen: >> my work blog: http://rworld2.brookesblogs.net/ >> The OCSLD Blog: http://ocsld.brookesblogs.net/ >> Where is the new blended learning? http://bejlt.brookes.ac.uk/paper/where-is-the-new-blended-learning-whispering-corners-of-the-forum/