For anyone wanting to add church bells to their HER, there is the National Bell Register here in XPS format - http://georgedawson.homestead.com/nbr.html Hugh Winfield | Archaeologist | North East Lincolnshire Regeneration Partnership Origin 2, Europarc, Grimsby, DN37 9TZ W 01472323586 | M 07825125964 North East Lincolnshire Council and ENGIE, working in partnership to deliver a stronger economy and stronger communities Access Historic Environment Mapping on our iShare Mapping System - http://isharemaps.nelincs.gov.uk/mynelc.aspx From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells (Archaeology) Sent: 03 June 2016 12:01 To: Winfield, Hugh Subject: Re: Friday question - a bell frame! Thanks all, I've gone for a candidate term of 'bell frame' under 'building component' and added the scope note from the components thesaurus! That makes me happier than I was... Helen Wells Historic Environment Record Officer Leicestershire County Council Planning, Historic & Natural Environment, Leicestershire County Council, County Hall, Glenfield, Leics, LE3 8RA Telephone: 0116 3058323 / E-mail: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of EDWARDS, Robert (Environment) Sent: 03 June 2016 11:51 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Friday question - a bell frame! Hi Helen, Further to Alice's suggestion, there is an entry for Bell Frame in the Components thesaurus which might serve as the basis for a candidate term for a monument type. Best wishes Rob Rob Edwards Historic Environment Records Officer Cheshire Archaeology Planning Advisory Service Tel: 01244 973667 Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Location: The Forum, Chester, Cheshire, CH1 2HS. From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alice Cattermole Sent: 03 June 2016 10:10 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Friday question - a bell frame! Hi Helen, I'd say that BELL FRAME is a perfect contender for a candidate term of its very own - I think we added it to the Norfolk HER (not least because my Dad had carried out a survey of historic timber bell frames in the county). Church Care have a database of bells and bell frames that they consider to be of historical significance : http://www.churchcare.co.uk/cathedrals/art-artefacts-conservation-cathedrals/caring-conservation-of-artworks-and-historic-furnishings-cathedrals/bells-bell-frames/bells-database and I am pretty sure there is some EH consultation guidance online too. One of these will surely contain a good definition that you could use in the thesaurus. I definitely wouldn't want to index your site as a findspot of a bell, not least because many historic bell frames are now devoid of bells (the bells having been taken away to be re-hung elsewhere or melted down as scrap). You might want to add any bell(s) hung in the frame as associated finds records. Sorry this doesn't immediately solve the problem. Best wishes, Alice From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Wells (Archaeology) Sent: 03 June 2016 09:13 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Friday question - a bell frame! Hi all, I just put Saltby bell frame onto our HER: http://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=MLE22444&resourceID=1021 It was re-erected at Beaumanor Hall having been removed from the church in 1995. I'm not happy about it being a findspot of a bell! It should be a monument, I think, but I can't decide what it should be, exactly... Any ideas? 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