-it is a pleasure to share with you the paper about this topic
Cribado de cáncer de ovario, ¿se puede recomendar? No. El UKCTOC. Por favor, no más ensayos clínicos.
Ovarian cancer screening: could you recommend it? No. The UKCTOC. Please, no more RCTs.                             
http://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2016/06/14/ebmed-2016-110385.extract
-with thanks to all who commented about it: Guylene Theriault, Amy Price, Andreas Lundh, Nick Myles, Michael Power and Greg Fell, and special thanks to Richard Saitz for his role in the English editing of the paper
-in any case, errors are mine
-un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas

2016-01-06 23:47 GMT+01:00 Guylene Theriault <[log in to unmask]>:

One question if I may


How can we have (in table 3 -primary analysis) a p value that is below 0.05 if the CI overlaps the 0%


Mortality 0-14 years

Roysran-Pamar model

p=0.021 but the CI ranges from -2% to 40%


I cannot figure it out

The CI makes should make it not statistically significant


It is the same thing in the secondary analysis

Is it linked to the Roysran-Parmar model? and if so can somebody explain it to me


Many thanks




De : Evidence based health (EBH) <[log in to unmask]> de la part de Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask]>
Envoyé : 29 décembre 2015 05:40
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Objet : Re: EBM and screening of ovarian cancer
 
-in my own opinion, questions around this RCT are in some way about scientific honestity
-in my own opinion, the press comments are an example of manipulation
-"normal" physicians and patients do not go to the paper, neither to it supplement document
-for example, to know about compliance with annual screening: 1st year 98.4% MMS and 94.9% USS; last year (11st) 47.2% and 35.9% respectively
-un saludo juan gérvas

2015-12-29 5:11 GMT+01:00 healingjia Price <[log in to unmask]>:
Thank you for bringing these studies up.  I came across that press release and thought  the mortality figures were about the same screened or unscreened and was just going to look more closely. The release is misleading especially given  the information provided by you  and this disconnect from numbers is what confuses the public too

Best
Amy

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On 28 Dec 2015, at 3:38 pm, Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

-probably you can join me in reading the results of this RCT: the UKCTOCS
-first, please read the news: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-12/tl-tll121515.php
Professor Jacobs says: "These results from UKCTOCS provide estimates of the mortality reduction attributable to ovarian cancer screening which range from 15% to 28%. Further follow up in UKCTOCS will provide greater confidence about the precise reduction in mortality which is achievable. It is possible that the mortality reduction after follow up for an additional 2-3 years will be greater or less than these initial estimates."
-then, go to the UKCTOCS page:
The UK Collaborative Trial of Ovarian Cancer Screening (UKCTOCS) was designed to determine how many lives could be saved by screening for ovarian cancer. The trial coordinated from UCL, commenced in 2001 and has involved 13 centres across the UK.
-then, please go to the papers (two, including the supplement, both free and direct access)
Ovarian cancer screening and mortality in the UK Collaborative Trial of Ovarian Cancer Screening (UKCTOCS): a randomised controlled trial.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2901224-6/fulltext
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2901224-6/supplemental
-the RCT ends with not significant impact in mortality, BUT a significant mortality benefit in a subgroup analysis (most of the mortality benefit occurred during the later years of follow-up: 8% during years 0 to 7 versus 23% during years 7 to 14 in the multimodality group and 2% versus 21% in the ultrasound group (what it was unexpected)
-the data showed that 338 (0.7%) women in the multimodality arm had ovarian cancer, 314(0.6%) in the ultrasound arm, and 630 (0.6%) of the women who were not screened;  148 (0.29%) women in the multimodality arm (MMS) died of ovarian cancer, 154 (0.30%) in the ultrasound arm (USS), and 347 (0.34%) of the women who were not screened.
-true positive were 199 (59%) in the multimodality arm and 161 (51%) in the ultrasound arm
-false negative were 79 (23%) in the multimodality arm (MMS) and 106 (34%) in the ultrasound arm (USS)
-screening-related complication rate of 8·6 per 100,000 in the MMS group and 18·6 per 100,000 in the USS group
-they noted no evidence of a difference in deaths because of other causes between the MMS, USS, and no screening groups; total deaths, 6.7 per 1,000 MMS, 6.4 USS and 6.6 in the women who were not screened; total cancer mortality: 3.4 per 1,000 MMS, 3.3 USS and 3.3 in the women who were not screened
-for each ovarian and peritoneal cancer detected by screening, an additional two women in the MMS group and ten women in the USS group had false-positive surgery
-women in the MMS group had a complication rate of 3·1%  and those in the USS group had a rate of 3·5%
-the ratio of women who had surgery for which ovaries had benign pathology or were normal to those diagnosed with ovarian and peritoneal cancer was 2·3-times higher in the MMS group and 5·3-times higher in the USS group than in the no screening group
-so, my question: could you recommend a screening test which has no impact on ovarian cancer mortality, no impact on cancer mortality, no impacto on total mortality, and has heavy harms)
-un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas