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> Arlene, Religion, politics, parenting, freedoms, rights……..and other subjectively 'value based’ perspectives on life. Don't they all overlap and aren’t we erratically in search of a common space? Sometimes by force sometimes by submission. best David > > On 12/06/2016, at 11:39 AM, Arlene Goldbard <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Fascinating that this discussion brought out such dramatically different values and approaches among people who have come into dialogue around a shared affinity. I wonder what other seemingly common ground might reveal similar contrasts if unpacked. > > all best, > Arlene > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The purpose of art is to lay bare > the questions which have been > hidden by the answers. > James Baldwin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arlene Goldbard > www.arlenegoldbard.com <http://arlenegoldbard.com/> > 415-690-9992 > Chief Policy Wonk, > U.S. Department of Arts and Culture > 2015 Purpose Prize Fellow > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 11, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Creative Pathways <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Hi David >> >> If your question is rhetorical then please read no further. >> >> If not then let me answer by saying I expect these questions will never be satisfactorily answered but I don't see this as a reason why we should not attempt to go down the path of enquiry Personally the value of this pursuit is be found in the context of the responses of others through a better shared consensus of what may be worthwhile to us all at this nexus of art and learning. I embrace Wendelin's specific questions of value and Steve’s initial inquiry because while we might disagree and they might be to hard to answer they can take us further. >> >> So I respond….Last question first, "Whose will prevails in matters of artistic standards?’ >> >> I hope I have just allured to this in that we can and do look to areas of consensus. But like many things I do my our own work looking for such outcomes that align with my own experience/beliefs (no ultimate proofs here!) There is no ownership/understanding for me in blindly following. I keep in mind Emily Dickinson’s poem when I feel I might be off track. >> >> Much Madness is divinest Sense - >> To a discerning Eye - >> Much Sense - the starkest Madness - >> ’Tis the Majority >> In this, as all, prevail - >> Assent - and you are sane - >> Demur - you’re straightway dangerous - >> And handled with a Chain - >> >> Where teachers/ing standards are concerned I take a similar approach to the management of art productions. The artistic part is mostly the outcome of a single director, conductor, artist, that has declarative power. The good ones lead because we let them, their outcomes convince us. Where outcomes are the result of a collective, e.g. orchestra, theatre play, dance troupe, I felt the best of them include us or know how to be consensual in their approach encouraging our ownwership of the outcome as well as the learning process. >> >> You last questions "What is "high standard"? Who judges this? >> >> First I qualify myself. Where art is concerned I am a violinist and perform in several orchestras. I also am a keen chamber musician. I have been (am) a visual artist (painter) and have mounted a number of solo exhibitions as well as undertaken commissions for portraits, scenic painting, sculpture, and master work reproductions. I have convened and directed artistic events and taught both music and art. >> I believe in the areas I have worked (which are minute in the larger context) I am able, to a fair extent, judge the quality (higher standards) of the technical and comparative (contextual/historical) aspects of what I come into contact with. I do not believe I can make any absolute judgement about artistic outcomes but feel comfortable to give my opinion as needed. >> I believe there are many other people who I can turn to who can do the same. >> >> A bit of a ramble…. but doesn’t this all eventually lead back into those personal questions of knowing…? >> Penultimately this work has me asking how I might take responsibility to build trust and curiosity, live with vulnerability and empathy, and continue to seek those hermeneutics that make all this happen? >> Here I find all these qualities intrinsically wound up in the AACORN community. >> Well thats one way it appears to me. >> >> with thanks for your questions and comments >> best >> David >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/06/2016, at 6:38 AM, David Weir <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> David Weir >>> >>> Hadleigh House >>> >>> Main Street >>> >>> Skirpenbeck >>> >>> York >>