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Grumpy? You? Maybe it is an age thing. Old farts attach a different nuance to the phrase “shame on you”. Or is the world now buried in a pile of political correctness? By the way, for tales from a real grumpy old git, read the write up of the HRH Duke of Edinburgh’s new role in the EU campaign in the Guardian today. And if you really want to listen to someone banging on about engineering, try HRH. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francis Sedgemore Sent: 01 April 2016 09:58 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Edinburgh event: Science Education - why do we need it? MK is a grumpy old git, as am I. We can both be gruff, but unfriendly? Heaven forfend! Provocative, maybe. I picture MK typing "Shame on you" with a (friendly) smile on his face. Francis On 1 April 2016 09:53:06 BST, Jo Brodie <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Speaking of 'more tolerant' my headscratching was less about the relative merits of engineering versus science and more about the seemingly unfriendly dismissal in MK's original reply, I should have been clearer. I rather like productive disagreements (preferably civil ones) and I certainly don't want the list to be a banal exchange of pleasantries but this seemed a disproportionate response to someone telling us about an event. I'd have recommended something along the lines of 'Don't forget that...' rather than heaping shame upon Jamie. Thanks, Jo "fluffy" Brodie psci-com owner On 1 April 2016 at 09:12, Francis Sedgemore <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Engineering helps us to understand and manipulate the real world. It does so every bit as much as science, but in different ways, requiring a subtly different mindset. Engineering is about solving practical problems using an extended scientific method. Extended, as it takes physical modelling to more 'tolerant' level. Francis On 31 March 2016 23:23:30 BST, Iain Coleman <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Indeed, Michael, understanding the nature of reality is such a silly waste of time. On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Jo Brodie <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Scratching my head a bit at this one Michael... Jo On 31 March 2016 at 22:17, Michael Kenward <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Shame on you: Dame Julia Higgins – chemical engineer at Imperial, Fellow of the Royal Society and Vice Chair of the Royal Society’s Vision <https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/vision/> report Julia is also an FREng, Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. Yes, it does matter. Scientists, like architects, are a waste of space without engineers who can turn their noodlings into useful stuff. MK From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Upton, Jamie Sent: 31 March 2016 11:04 To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [PSCI-COM] Edinburgh event: Science Education - why do we need it? Next week on Thursday 7 April the Royal Society and the Royal Society of Edinburgh are teaming up to host an expert panel of researchers and educationalists for a discussion on science education as part of the Edinburgh Science Festival. When: Thursday 7 April 5.30pm-7.00pm Where: Summerhall – Main Hall, Edinburgh, EH9 1PL Ticket link: http://www.sciencefestival.co.uk/event-details/science-education-why-do-we-need-it The panel features: Dame Julia Higgins – chemical engineer at Imperial, Fellow of the Royal Society and Vice Chair of the Royal Society’s Vision <https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/vision/> report Professor Sally Brown – education researcher with an OBE for her service to science research Adrian Allan – science teacher and participant in the Royal Society’s Partnership Grants Scheme Professor Martin Hendry – Head of the University of Glasgow’s School of Physics and Astronomy, a member of the LIGO collaboration, FRSE with an MBE for his services to the public understanding of science Ross Martin – CEO of the Scottish Council for Development and Industry and Chair for the discussion This will be a fascinating discussion of the current state of science education and should appeal to anyone with an interest in education, policy or science in general. 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