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On 19 Apr 2016, at 22:57, Kurt Sherry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and cultureLuke-Acts would definitely be an exception for biblical literature, though, since the author was obviously hellenistic and had far better Greek than the other books (with the possible exception of Hebrews).********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religionOn Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:33 PM, John Dillon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Anna Graham wrote:
"I think the consensus right now about similarities between biblical texts and classical literature is that apparent similarities in themes or images have more to do with similar mythological/religious themes common to the Hellenistic Mediterranean world..."
That does seem to be the consensus on that score. But there are recent or relatively recent books by Marianne Palmer Bonz (_The Past as Legacy: Luke-Acts and Ancient Epic_ [Fortress Press, 2000]) and Dennis R. MacDonald (_Luke and Vergil: Imitations of Classical Greek Literature_ [Rowman and Littlefield, 2014]) that are interested not in religious themes but instead in narrative similarities. With regard to Vergil, these are unpersuasive in their assumptions of widespread interest in the _Aeneid_ in essentially non-Latin areas of the Roman empire.
Best again,
John Dillon
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Subject: Re: [M-R] connection between Revelation, the Aeneid and Dante?
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I think the consensus right now about similarities between biblical
texts and classical literature is that apparent similarities in themes
or images have more to do with similar mythological/religious themes
common to the Hellenistic Mediterranean world -- I've been wondering
for years what Livy might have known about biblical literature, but
have been unable to find any evidence one way or another. There is
Vergil's messianic eclogue as well, which seems to blur the lines
between classical and Christian. But it would be interesting if
anyone out there knows of any other good sources on the subject ...
Anna Graham
Romance and Classical Languages
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
culture
>
> I noticed the connections between Revelation and Dante are really
strong,
> especially when you get to Paradiso, back as an undergrad. As for
John
> having read Virgil, I haven't heard any speculation on that (doesn't
mean
> someone hasn't published a paper in a religious studies journal
somewhere,
> though). It strikes me as unlikely that there was any direct
connection.
> The author (whether the Apostle John or someone from eastern
Anatolia/upper
> Mesopotamia) almost certainly didn't know Latin and doesn't appear
to have
> been overly invested in Hellenistic cultural referencing.
Furthermore,
> there was a wealth of Jewish apocalyptic literature available for
him.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Rosemary Hayes-Milligan and Andrew
> Milligan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
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>> I hope you will forgive an idle query borne out of the fact that I
was
>> reading the second reading at Mass yesterday (Revelation 7:9-17)
>>
>> When I reached the bit that that begins 'who are those, robed in
white...'
>> it rang bells with the recent Radio 4 reading of Seamus Heaney's
>> translation of the Aeneid Book 6 (Aeneas's journey into the
underworld).
>> We know that Dante was inspired by Virgil. Was he also inspired by
>> Revelation and has anyone suggested that St John may have read
Virgil?
>>
>> Forgive me if this is something that has been much rehearsed, or is
>> totally silly. Does anyone have thoughts?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rosemary
>>
>> Dr RCE Hayes
>> 18 Murrayfield Drive
>> Edinburgh
>> EH12 6EB
>>
>> 0131 337 1385
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