@ Katherine Brown - This does indeed read like a great opportunity. However, Cambridge is a not inexpensive place to live; so I'm contacting you - openly - for salary range details. Providing them here may prevent a lot of people wasting time - theirs and yours.

Thanks,

Lee

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On 24 February 2016 at 11:06, Claudia Stocker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I've come across that problem before. I was asked to apply to a job that was quite niche but perfectly suited to my skills. They wanted someone with a graphic design degree and a science degree (or equivalent experience). The recruiter phoned me up and I seemed like a perfect fit. Then they asked me what my salary expectations were, and it turned out they only wanted to pay 18k for the role. If I'd know that in advance it would have been obvious that they were actually just looking for a junior graphic designer and I wouldn't have bothered.

Claudia

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Williams, Lynda, Springer Healthcare <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

We do try and give a full description of the role and its seniority but I understand that our HR quite expect to discuss salary range with potential candidates even before they apply or send in a CV, and do so before the recruiting manager even gets so much as a sniff at the CV/applicant pile.

 

I do plan to advertise roles here as they arise but as I say, this topic comes up with jobs that don’t specify salary. And, although I agree the policy is questionable, it’s not something I have any direct influence over in the process so I’m bit off put by the idea of been asked each time.

 

Best

Lynda

 

From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Pritchard
Sent: 24 February 2016 09:35


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Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

 

Hi Lynda,

 

It's a shame you'd consider not posting jobs; I know a great many of the subscribers to this list would agree. However I can wholeheartedly agree that advertising a scale, or 'circa' is preferable, and in fact might mean you get more suitable applicants.

 

Putting together a decent cover letter and CV for each application is quite time consuming, and I wouldn't want to do that if the post on offer wasn't in line with my salary expectations or experience levels (both too high or too low!). I've also found a lot of organisations won't give feedback on failed applications, which is quite disheartening - often this can be because you're just not the right level of experience for the role - something it's often easier to glean form the salary range than the job description!

 

However, perhaps people could be more explicit that the salary range / level is 'available on request'? I don't know if this really solves the problem though :-/

 

Steve

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Williams, Lynda, Springer Healthcare <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Yes, stating a scale only to tell the candidate that they can’t start on the top end because otherwise there’s no way of giving a pay rise in the future is infuriating.

 

I work for a large science/medicine publishing company and not giving a salary on job adverts is standard. It seems very common in the field. I know our HR does discuss the salary range with individual candidates frankly through the recruitment process though.

 

But I would say that because I know a lot of people on the list don’t like this policy, it has put me off advertising upcoming roles in the past a bit as I don’t want to have to defend an HR policy that I have no control over.

 

Best,

Lynda

 

 

From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kate B
Sent: 23 February 2016 21:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

 

At least when they don't state anything you are forced to enter into dialogue with them (or just not apply, as below. I fully understand your sentiments but there may be other reasons for not stating salaries, such as a large organisation with vastly different roles and vastly different salaries may not wish to shout about the wage offered to avoid unnecessary griping from those on a different dept on a lower wage. I do however think it's more likely that they're not a fair organisation when they avoid transparency in matters like this).

 

What I hate is when they offer a scale but have no intention of appointing at the higher end of the scale however perfect the person may be. They just put it up to entice more people to apply. Time wasted all round as you don't find out till after the job has been offered.

 

From: Catarina Fernandes <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2016, 18:44
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

 

When I was looking for jobs, I never bothered applying for the ones that didn't state the salary. My opinion was that they were either too low, or they wanted to get away with as little as possible (which made me wonder about the place)

 

It might not be true, but it was the message it transpired to me 

 

Cat

 



On Tuesday, 23 February 2016, Ian Simmons <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I have to say that it drives me crazy when organisations just say ‘competitive salary’, I know what I think would be a competitive salary for a post, but I’m never sure that the organisation would agree with me, and often I find that even finding out what the range is requires several emails or phone calls, and one reputable organisation recently was unable to give me an answer even after several calls. Just publishing a range would make it a lot easier if they will tell people who contact them anyway, I am not going to be persuaded to apply for a post that can’t afford me just because it says ‘competitive salary’ and leave it until I’ve been appointed to horsetrade in an attempt to get something I can live with.

 

IAN

 

 

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Sent: 23 February 2016 16:51
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Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

 

Hi Katherine

 

Thank you for engaging. 

 

I feel very strongly that for an evidence led community that we're not very good at using that evidence to deal with well known problems in recruitment and remuneration. 

 

Why not publish the range? Given you offer the opportunity to contact and discover surely someone could just do that and publish anyway? 

 

Best wishes and sincerely thank you for engaging. 

 

Andrew



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From: Katherine Brown <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 23/02/2016 14:05 (GMT+00:00)
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

Hi all,

I’m the person advertising this job (I’m the Executive Editor of the journal Development, with responsibility for the Node). This is a bona fide position with a competitive market rate salary, pension benefits etc. We do take on board your comments about salary expectations and the potential for this to affect the gender pay gap. Anyone interested in the position is welcome to contact us for more details (including salary range) and we encourage interested people to apply – this is a great opportunity!

Katherine Brown

 

 

 

 

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From: Michael Kenward <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)
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Maybe it is one of those unpaid internships and you are expected to pay them. The highest bid gets you the job.

 

MK

 

 

 

From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lee Turnpenny
Sent: 23 February 2016 00:45


To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

 

Yes. And it's also like bidding in a sealed envelope.


Lee

 

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On 23 February 2016 at 00:04, Andrew Garratt <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Indeed. 

 

An under recognised problem with "salary expectations" is that it worsens the gender pay gap, with women tending to set out and settle for less than men.

 

Andrew



-------- Original message --------
From: Lee Turnpenny <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 22/02/2016 23:42 (GMT+00:00)
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job opportunity- Community Manager for the Node (Cambridge, UK)

Instead of requesting 'salary expectations', could you not kindly inform what the job pays?


Lee

 

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On 18 February 2016 at 15:03, Catarina Vicente <

​​

Dear all,

 

The Company of Biologists and its journal Development are seeking to appoint a new Community Manager to run its successful community website for developmental biologists the Node (http://thenode.biologists.com/). This position is based in Cambridge, UK.

 

This has been my position for the last three years and is a varied communications role, ideal for anyone interested in online communication for scientists.  You will be working as part of a really friendly and supporting team, so I can really recommend it!

 

 

Best wishes,

 

Cat

 

Catarina Vicente, PhD

Community Manager, the Node

Online editor, Development

The Company of Biologists, Bidder Building, Station Road, Cambridge, CB24 9LF, UK

Follow us on Twitter: @the_Node

Like us on Facebook: /theNodedevbio

 

 

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