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Agree, I think most of us would make a more comprehensive psychosocial assessment and use experience, judgement, sometimes assessment tools if appropriate (I quite like the PHQ-9 as a progress tool for example) and as one psychiatrist once said to me 'if it doesn't feel right then it probably isn't' but I do get concerned about the use of assessment tools that have not been validated. Regards Karen From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Libby HM Sent: 12 February 2016 16:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Re Suicide risk assessment Exactly right Karen, so many factors come into play. Sometimes there may be no signs and no typical risk factors visible yet someone may take their own life. And of course the best we can ever do is signpost someone to appropriate professional help based on the information available. For me I feel my medical records are backed up if I can show I have made some kind of assessment. Best, Libby On 12 Feb 2016, at 15:48, Karen Coomer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi Sarah I think you have to be very careful using assessment scales to predict suicide intent, many are not valid as the following link and NICE state http://patient.info/doctor/Suicide-Risk-Assessment-and-Threats-of-Suicide I have read research that suggests that suicidal thoughts and planning are not necessarily a good indicator of a risk, there are many other risk factors to consider. I would ask the question about whether the one in the OH magazine is validated before use. Regards Karen From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Monaghan, Sarah Sent: 12 February 2016 13:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Re Suicide risk assessment Hello All A few years ago I saw a suicide risk assessment tool in the OH magazine. I was wondering if anyone had a copy of it or one that they use that they wouldn't mind sharing with me. Many Thanks Sarah Monaghan Senior Occupational Health Advisor <image004.jpg> -------------------------------------------------------------------- This email originates from Wiltshire Council and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information and may be subject to Copyright or Intellectual Property rights. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender and delete the email from your inbox. Any disclosure, reproduction, dissemination, modification and distribution of the contents of the email is strictly prohibited. Email content may be monitored by Wiltshire Council to ensure compliance with its policies and procedures. No contract is intended by this email, and any personal opinions expressed in this message are those of the sender and should not be taken as representing views of Wiltshire Council. Please note Wiltshire Council utilises anti-virus scanning software but does not warrant that any e-mail or attachments are free from viruses or other defects and accepts no liability for any losses resulting from infected e-mail transmissions. Receipt of this e-mail does not imply consent to use or provide this e-mail address to any third party for any purpose. Wiltshire Council will not request the disclosure of personal financial information by means of e-mail any such request should be confirmed in writing by contacting Wiltshire Council. ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH ******************************** Please remove this footer before replying. OCC-HEALTH ARCHIVES: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html CONFERENCES AND STUDY DAYS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH