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I agree too but am concerned that if terms are changed this will only confuse the issue as some people are only just coming to terms with the fact of the ethnicity attainment gap! We( the students and those engaged in the project) position it here within the broader focus of promoting race equality for students. Jane Tope University of Birmingham From: Higher Education Race Action Group alerts and communications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hussain, Zainab Sent: 22 February 2016 20:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: BME vs ethnicity attainment gap Hi I entirely agree with this move. Best Wishes Zainab Dr Zainab Hussain Senior Lecturer School of Health Sciences School of Health Lead for Widening Participation Co Chair Athena Swan SAT Chair of BME Staff Network ________________________________ From: Winston A. Morgan<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: ý22/ý02/ý2016 17:11 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BME vs ethnicity attainment gap Hi, I am in favour of anything that places the responsibility for the gap firmly on the institutions. If changing what we call it changes mindsets then we should try it. However this must be accompanied by a big campaign to move thinking away from the deficit model which is one of the main reasons the gap is sustained. Winston Morgan BSc, PhD, FHEA, Reader in Toxicology and Clinical Biochemistry, Programme Leader, Biosciences MSc programmes, School of Health Sport and Bioscience, University of East London, Water Lane, London E15 4LZ. Tel 0208-223-4182 From: Higher Education Race Action Group alerts and communications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Claire Herbert Sent: 22 February 2016 11:25 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BME vs ethnicity attainment gap Hi, I think this is an interesting debate and also links to whether we should refer to degree awarding or degree attainment. Degree attainment can suggest a deficit approach whereby we need to offer remedial solutions to help those students improve, whereas degree awarding suggests the institution is failing to award those degree to students at the same rate, and therefore needs to change. A small distinction perhaps, but one we're trying to include in our materials. Claire Claire Herbert Race Equality Charter (REC) Manager T: 020 7438 1016 M: 07889 757503 E: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> -----Original Message----- From: Higher Education Race Action Group alerts and communications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rochelle Rowe Sent: 22 February 2016 11:04 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: BME vs ethnicity attainment gap Hi Dominic I instinctively prefer ethnicity attainment gap as it does seem to go some way to neutralising the implied 'lack' as you say. Best wishes Rochelle Dr Rochelle Rowe Equality and Diversity Adviser St Georges University of London Cranmer Terrace London SW17 0RE 0208 725 0605 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> All SGUL staff can get free, confidential, professional, help from Confidential Care, SGUL's Employee Assistance Provider, 24/7, by phone, email or via the web. Click here to find out how to access the service. -----Original Message----- From: Higher Education Race Action Group alerts and communications [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dominik Jackson-Cole Sent: 22 February 2016 10:51 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: BME vs ethnicity attainment gap Dear all, I don't know if this issue has been raised before (I did a quick search on here and couldn't find anything though) but I was just wondering if it was worth looking into the names we give to the attainment gaps, and consider the possible shift in the name we use and potential implications? So we use the words 'Gender attainment gap' - as opposed to boy's/men's attainment gap. This seems more neutral and doesn't implicitly suggest that there's something wrong with boys/men... the same applies to social class attainment gap - not 'working class' attainment gap. Whereas we usually (not all the time, and I know my own institution is also guilty of it) say 'BME attainment gap' - which is not neutral and one might argue locates the issue within the BME students. Wouldn't it be more neutral/ better to start using the phrase 'Ethnicity attainment gap'? After all we all have/ can have an ethnicity that we identify as... or that people racialise us as, just as we have a gender identity (not necessarily in a binary sense of course!). What would be the implications of this? Do you think it's a better name? (of course by this name I do not wish to distract anyone from working on the actual issues - which is the gap and which needs to be addressed) Kind Regards, Dominik Jackson-Cole EDI Senior Advisor Kingston University ________________________________ This email has been scanned for email related threats and delivered safely by Mimecast. For more information please visit http://www.mimecast.com ________________________________