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Hello,
I only joined this mailing list recently and the first email I received suggested that I would get the most out of it if I introduced myself to fellow members, so here I am mostly just saying hi and the impetus to do so has come from the fact that i'm personally interested in the conversation raised.
I work as a clinical psychologist in the NHS but I also run a social enterprise, where I like to think I try and hold some of the ideas around community psychology but which I am acutely aware I do not do fully, for many reasons which I won't go into here. For me a big challenge, as a clinical psychologist, interested in working with communities and who can understand distress as a construction which if not created is certainly perpetuated by wider social/political/economic issues and views, it has been difficult to see how i could effect change doing the "job I trained to do". This is in inverted commas because clinical psychology (in the UK) in my experience and mind has a very linear pathway-you train and then work in the NHS-I’ve personally always struggled with the fact that this was the limit of how our knowledge could be applied.
I’ve observed the prequalification group events the past couple of years and wondered whether the range of topics reflects the impact and influence of the very same socio/economic/political systems which dictate to the communities and people we work with. We, as psychologists, community or clinical or any other ‘type’ are also one of those communities, and are effected and responsive to the changes around us. Inevitably psychology will change in the coming years and I personally am looking forward to being part of that evolution (I still have a few decades of working ahead of me!). My enterprise, amongst other things, reflects a view that there are many levels and ways in which we operationalize individualistic interventions to address distress, political/transformative approaches and everything in between. I seem to have developed a social enterprise which sits in the grey area of clinical and community psychology, it’s couldn’t be categorised into either and certainly is not about redefining a field- it’s just evolved from my knowledge and practice base to become what it is.
I’m encouraged by Richard’s email about how we find ways to work together across psychology because it has been difficult as a "clinician" to make my way in learning and applying community psychology; but I would like to and I look forward to sharing discussions and learning from you all in future.
Warm wishes
Sammy
On 2016-02-22 14:56, Mark Burton wrote:
I also wouldn't want to suggest an exclusive, schismatic or defensive approach. I simply wanted to highlight that there is a body of community psychology knowledge, theory, research and practice going back decades that has at least a little relevance for the kind of moves Richard discusses.
I'm actually very doubtful about the desirability of there being a sub-discipline of community psychology since a community orientation should inform all applied psychology. However there is a fairly new section (which in the BPS has a different role to that of a division) and my question was whether there had been any approach made so that the kind of non-individualistic approaches Jacqui mentions could be voiced.
There is an ambivalence among many community psychologists (me included) about the rest of psychology in general and often clinical psychology in particular. People come to community psychology via various routes. They include clinical psychology (and in the UK that accounts for a significant number) but also social psychology, organisational psychology, educational psychology, environmental psychology, critical psychology and perhaps others as well as combinations (as in my own case).
Because of the size of clinical psychology, its roots in individualistic practice and its tendency to be highly self-promoting, it is not surprising if some community psychologists, perhaps especially those who embrace the "critical" label, and those who don't come via clinical psychology, are wary of what might look like attempts to usurp and redefine the field. Maybe that's what a conference using the title "community psychology" looks like when it appears not to acknowledge the existence of a pre-existing field of endeavour.
I don't think the issue is all that important in the scale of things (and as an ex-clinical psychologist I can hardly take offence myself) but it is worth taking questions of definition, identity and perception into account.
Mark
On 21/02/16 18:27, richard pemberton wrote:Apologises if my overly defensive policing comment was unhelpful. I am coming towards the end of a long four years as chair of the DCP and the apparently fragmented and divided state of British psychology starts to drive one crazy!The public health agenda is growing by the day. Population level interventions and public and professional understanding of complex aetiologies including the highly negative impacts of inequality seem to be on the up. However, we have Health Promotion mainly in Health psychology, Francis related work shared between the Clinical and Occupational divisions, the Work and Health initiative is trying to get resources and momentum through the BPS Professional Practice Board, the attempt to form a network of people working with or around Health and Wellbeing Boards in England never got off the ground. The community psychology section seems to me to be gaining traction but is ambivalent about being associated the rest of psychology? The new BPS strategy is inviting a greater policy impact and public engagement.I am clear in my own mind that as a collective we could be more effective in our work with both individuals and communities is we were more 'joined up and less schism minded'.___________________________________ The list is jointly managed by David Fryer [log in to unmask] and Grant Jeffrey [log in to unmask], either of whom are able to deal with queries. To unsubscribe or to change your details on this COMMUNITYPSYCHUK list, visit the website: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=COMMUNITYPSYCHUKWe had Nadine Kaslow the past president of the American Psychological Association as a key note at our recent annual conference. She fronted their response to the Hoffman report and our involvement in torture. She said that the only place in the BPS that she could find a serious commitment to social justice was in the Counselling Division. I have just checked the community section website it doesn't say anything about social justice.It is great that our prequel group has organised this event. I will check out with them whether they thought about inviting senior figures from the section.We have started planning our January 2017 annual conference which is going to be in Liverpool. I am hoping that this will have a strong community psychology thread. The next President Peter Kinderman is from Liverpool and is very active on the local Health and Wellbeing board.This has recently been produced about David Smail. It perhaps indicates the potential benefits of being more joined up. https://karnacology.com/hall-of-fame/david-smail/How has the community psychology section responded to the ongoing attempts to restructure/reinvent the BPS?Hope this is helpfulRichard
On 21 Feb 2016, at 09:37, jacqui lovell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Jacqui
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> It depends how you define a field or how you want to carve and police psychology ? Cross section and divisional events are rare in British psychology? People seem to generally like to talk amongst their own. I am going to it but not speaking. How do you become/know you are a community psychologist?
>
> I have heard no talk of a clinical community psychology faculty! We have a clinical health faculty. I have been advocating that 'we get organised around health and wellbeing boards and public health in general. It has been hard to get momentum on this. I haven't however given up and have plans to try and move this forward when I finish my stint as DCP chair.
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> It is important that the President and President elect are speaking at it as they are seeking to reinvent the BPS. I wonder what sort of community psychology structure or profile community psychologists would want.
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> Richard
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>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 14:55, Carl Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Completely agree Mark.
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>> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Fwd: Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more - 11 March 2016, Birmingham
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>> This is strange. Has the BPS compsy section had any involvement in this event?
>> While interest of clinical psychologists in politics, action and the world beyond the consulting room is to be welcomed, it does seem strange that (so far as I know) none of the speakers is from the community psychology field.
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>> Pre-Qualification Group Annual Conference 2016
>> Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more
>> #PQGconf
>>
>> Friday 11 March 2016
>>
>> The Studio Venue, Birmingham
>>
>> Join fellow pre and in-training peers, qualified clinicians and experts by experience at the 2016 DCP PQG Annual Conference. This event promises the chance to consider how critical and community approaches to psychology can be applied in interesting and novel ways. This conference aims to open up dialogues among future clinical psychologists and the public, to help shape creative and empowering interventions that go beyond routine practice and change conventional practices for something different and potentially better.
>> Learning outcomes and objectives;
>> Attendees will gain of an understanding of and insight into:
>> • What does it mean to be a psychologist in the 'real world'
>> • Should clinical psychology really be involved in politics, the media and community?
>> • How to design, plan and evaluate interventions beyond the scope of conventional 'therapy'
>> • What community psychology can look like across the lifespan
>> • How to critique and engage with different perspectives
>> • How to involve service-users and experts-by-experience throughout our work
>> • How clinical psychologists are trying to change the world for the better
>>
>> We've got a great line up of speakers and here's who we have confirmed so far:
>>
>> Jamie Hacker-Hughes (BPS President)
>> Masuma Rahim (Clinical Psychologist & Blogger)
>> Lisa Cameron (Clinical Psychologist and MP)
>> Psychologist Against Austerity PAA
>> Rufus May (Clinical Psychologist) & Elisabeth Svanholmers (Hearing Voices Network Trainer & Facilitator)
>> Minorities in Clinical Training Group
>> Nina Browne (Trainee Clinical Psychologist) & Kat Alcock (Clinical Psychologist)
>> Sarah Wheeler & Thomas Tobias (Founders of Mental Fight Club & Dragon Cafe)
>> Walk The Talk Team
>> Peter Kinderman (Clinical Psychologist and BPS President Elect)
>> Anne Cooke (Clinical Psychologist)
>>
>> Attending the conference starts for as little as £20!
>>
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>> E Subscribers £47
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>> The Pre-Qualification Group look forward to welcoming you to this years Annual Conference 2016
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 16:56:00 +0000
From: Thomas Allan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Fwd: Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more - 11 March 2016, Birmingham
Perhaps carve and police a bit strong wording there. I guess there's
nothing wrong with clin psy attempts to open eyes to the 'real world'
beyond individualistic focus but I think the concern that there is a
risk of coopting and watering down CPs political-transformative
potential is justified.
A useful discussion would be on where the boundaries of the field lie
currently lie, not to exclude or police but with the aim of keeping its
focus and developing practice within the context of current social,
political and economic realities. I'm not sure whether debating whether
certain psychologies 'should really be involved in politics, the media
and community' really hits the mark for me.
On 20/02/2016 08:25, richard pemberton wrote:
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>> It depends how you define a field or how you want to carve and police psychology ? Cross section and divisional events are rare in British psychology? People seem to generally like to talk amongst their own. I am going to it but not speaking. How do you become/know you are a community psychologist?
>>
>> I have heard no talk of a clinical community psychology faculty! We have a clinical health faculty. I have been advocating that 'we get organised around health and wellbeing boards and public health in general. It has been hard to get momentum on this. I haven't however given up and have plans to try and move this forward when I finish my stint as DCP chair.
>>
>> It is important that the President and President elect are speaking at it as they are seeking to reinvent the BPS. I wonder what sort of community psychology structure or profile community psychologists would want.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2016, at 14:55, Carl Walker<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Completely agree Mark.
>>>
>>> Carl Walker
>>> SASS
>>> University of Brighton
>>> 01273 643475
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mark Burton [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: 19 February 2016 11:06
>>> [log in to unmask]">To:[log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Fwd: Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more - 11 March 2016, Birmingham
>>>
>>> This is strange. Has the BPS compsy section had any involvement in this event?
>>> While interest of clinical psychologists in politics, action and the world beyond the consulting room is to be welcomed, it does seem strange that (so far as I know) none of the speakers is from the community psychology field.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more - 11 March 2016, Birmingham
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:54:39 +0000
>>> From: [comsec] Network Announcements<[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Reply-To:network.comsec@lists.bps.org.uk<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> To:mark.burton@poptel.org<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pre-Qualification Group Annual Conference 2016
>>> Community Psychology: Thinking more, speaking more, doing more
>>> #PQGconf
>>>
>>> Friday 11 March 2016
>>>
>>> The Studio Venue, Birmingham
>>>
>>> Join fellow pre and in-training peers, qualified clinicians and experts by experience at the 2016 DCP PQG Annual Conference. This event promises the chance to consider how critical and community approaches to psychology can be applied in interesting and novel ways. This conference aims to open up dialogues among future clinical psychologists and the public, to help shape creative and empowering interventions that go beyond routine practice and change conventional practices for something different and potentially better.
>>> Learning outcomes and objectives;
>>> Attendees will gain of an understanding of and insight into:
>>> • What does it mean to be a psychologist in the 'real world'
>>> • Should clinical psychology really be involved in politics, the media and community?
>>> • How to design, plan and evaluate interventions beyond the scope of conventional 'therapy'
>>> • What community psychology can look like across the lifespan
>>> • How to critique and engage with different perspectives
>>> • How to involve service-users and experts-by-experience throughout our work
>>> • How clinical psychologists are trying to change the world for the better
>>>
>>> We've got a great line up of speakers and here's who we have confirmed so far:
>>>
>>> Jamie Hacker-Hughes (BPS President)
>>> Masuma Rahim (Clinical Psychologist & Blogger)
>>> Lisa Cameron (Clinical Psychologist and MP)
>>> Psychologist Against Austerity PAA
>>> Rufus May (Clinical Psychologist) & Elisabeth Svanholmers (Hearing Voices Network Trainer & Facilitator)
>>> Minorities in Clinical Training Group
>>> Nina Browne (Trainee Clinical Psychologist) & Kat Alcock (Clinical Psychologist)
>>> Sarah Wheeler & Thomas Tobias (Founders of Mental Fight Club & Dragon Cafe)
>>> Walk The Talk Team
>>> Peter Kinderman (Clinical Psychologist and BPS President Elect)
>>> Anne Cooke (Clinical Psychologist)
>>>
>>> Attending the conference starts for as little as £20!
>>>
>>> Fees (Inclusive VAT):
>>> DCP Pre-Qual Members £20
>>> DCP Members £30
>>> Society Member £36
>>> Affiliate Subscribers £44
>>> E Subscribers £47
>>> Non-Society Members £48
>>>
>>> Lunch and refreshments provided throughout the day
>>>
>>> The Pre-Qualification Group look forward to welcoming you to this years Annual Conference 2016
>>>
>>> For further information or to book:http://www.kc-jones.co.uk/pqg2016
>>>
>>> If you have any queries please contact please call the event hotline on 01332 224507.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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