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Thanks, Pat. Veritable gold mine as always. Alannah On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Pat L (pgogy) <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Share anything I've said. It can't have been that bad. > > It was the Coursera conference at Senate House (2013 or 14). I was pretty > much live tweeting so i will fish through my.twitter archive. I think i > asked about the logic of having a list of coursera videos outside of the > courses people could use. The response from Koller or Ng was it didn't seem > to fit the business models of unis. I spoke to Penn afterwards who do a lot > of OER and they thought it was a good idea. It might be worth noting here > that after three years of using the coursera 'VLE' the only visible > interface changes are on the analytics side and a little bit on asset > management. Most of the work has been on the ondemand side. Perhaps thy see > no benefit to openness and have a business to run. Perhaps it might be > easier to level this criticism at futurelearn. > > I'd also add that we did use OER during our MOOC, even though there is > next to nothing out there law wise (bar historical documents), but when we > did we tried to ask the person first for permission. This may sound contra > openness, but I'd not want to send 40000 people off to someone's website > without them at least expecting it. Many web hosts will close a site down > once traffic reaches certain levels or once a set level of gigabytes has > been downloaded. Of course you could download it and host it on the massive > "VLE" (basically AWS) but then all the precious reuse evidence is lost > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: alannah fitzgerald <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 08/12/2015 22:57 (GMT+00:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Open policies for MOOCs > > Dear All, > > This is very timely as I'm in the process of trying to encourage McGill > Uni. in Canada to openly license their MOOC content, and establish an open > ed policy, as part of my pro bono work with them for their Social Learning > for Social Impact MOOC. Thankfully, some of the learners raised the > question about the level of openness of the MOOC and they knew about the > edX plug-in, questioning why it hadn't been used by McGill. It's always > helpful when the learners are demanding this change and I expect that this > has something to do with the high number of self-identifying edhackers in > the social justice community who are taking our MOOC. Anyway, I'll let you > know how things go from early Feb once I'm back in Montreal to make a > face-2-face case for this with my fellow MOOC facilitators (I'm currently > in NZ doing my other pro bono stint with the open FLAX language project > till then). The expertise shared here will help with making this case, > thanks. > > Cable - are the discussions on-going with edX and Creative Commons > regarding the uptake of the CC-licensing plug-in for edX, I wonder? And, > where does CC plan to go next with edX? > > I've been in touch with Pat (aka the open ed policy at the Uni of London > for the English Common Law MOOC with Coursera) as part of my research based > on the reuse of their openly-licensed MOOC content for the development of > open data-driven linguistic support derivatives by the FLAX project. I have > some data from Pat in response to the open ed policy questions for MOOCs > raised here in this discussion, and I'm sure he wouldn't mind that data > being shared here (Pat?) also. One of the things Pat mentioned was that > while he was in attendance at a MOOC provider conference (I'm not sure > which one) and when he raised the same question about openness for MOOC > content he was told that the providers had seen no evidence of demand for > this. Perhaps, Pat, you can fill us in more with the details about this > interaction? This view from whoever was speaking on behalf of the MOOC > providers does seem to run at cross purposes with what we are seeing as, > for example, evidence coming from edX MOOC completers, many of whom are > educators who have a vested interest in the content and seeing how MOOCs > deliver subjects they themselves are teaching [1]. > > I look forward to sharing more with you all in this important area of open > policy development. > > With all good wishes, > > Alannah > > > Alannah Fitzgerald > > FLAX Language Project (flax.nzdl.org) Open Education Research > > PhD Candidate in Educational Technology at Concordia University, Canada > https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alannahfitzgerald / alannahfitzgerald.org / > @AlannahFitz <https://twitter.com/AlannahFitz> / > http://www.slideshare.net/AlannahOpenEd > [log in to unmask] / [log in to unmask] / > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+alannahfitzgerald > > > [1] Ho, A. D., Chuang, I., Reich, J., Coleman, C. A., Whitehill, J., > Northcutt, C. G., … Petersen, R. (2015). HarvardX and MITx: Two Years of > Open Online Courses Fall 2012-Summer 2014 (SSRN Scholarly Paper No. ID > 2586847). Rochester, NY: Social Science Research Network. Retrieved from > http://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=2586847 > > see Finding 3: "Among the one-fifth of participants who responded to > survey questions about their professional experience as teachers or > instructors, 39% identified as a past or present teacher, and 21% of these > teachers reported teaching in the topic area of the course in which they > were participating. These survey results reflect the diversity of possible, > desired uses of open online courses beyond certification." > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Cable Green <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Two posts from Creative Commons re: this topic: >> >> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/34852 >> >> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/45593 >> >> Cable >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Bryan Alexander < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps it's worth pinging the founders, George Siemens and Stephen >>> Downes. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Brandon Muramatsu <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Try contacting Willem van Valkenburg <[log in to unmask]> at >>>> TU Delft. He can talk about what TU Delft is doing and what the Open >>>> Education Consortium has been doing. >>>> >>>> >>>> Brandon >>>> >>>> P.S. Oh great, Pat is referring to himself in the 3rd person now. :) >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Brandon Muramatsu >>>> Strategic Education Initiatives >>>> MIT Office of Digital Learning >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Pat Lockley (Pgogy) < >>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-12-08 07:01, Atenas, Javiera wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Apologies for cross posting >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all >>>>>> >>>>>> A colleague from a Chilean university is looking for institutional >>>>>> policies to ensure that the content they produce for their MOOCs is >>>>>> openly licensed, if you know one or have developed one at >>>>>> institutional level which they can refer, please let us know >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We didn't have one, we had a Pat, it is like a policy, just a bit more >>>>> stubborn >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest that looking to host, as much as possible, content >>>>> outside the platform so switching it to open is a matter of moving some >>>>> HTML from one place to another. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bryan Alexander >>> http://bryanalexander.org/ >>> Future Trends in Technology and Education, http://ftte.us/ >>> <http://bryanalexander.org/future-trends-in-technology-and-education/> >>> http://twitter.com/BryanAlexander >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Cable >> > >