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What Sarah and Dawn said - particularly about putting people off posting jobs. We can point to a number of other threads where people ask about finding jobs in science communication, and it's nice that 'this list' is usually near the top of those answers. I wouldn't want to see that change. As a counter point, all that chat about salaries, volunteering, pay rates etc etc is also really important. But it would be preferential to see those conversations more contained to the appropriate threads rather than working their way into every job posting through some kind of osmosis... Steve On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Dawn Bonfield <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I totally agree with you Sarah. I have been working as a volunteer at WES > for many years and whilst I appreciate that not everyone has the luxury of > doing that, equally there are some people for whom salary is not everything > and we should let individuals decide whether they wish to apply for jobs - > or volunteering opportunities - or not. Continual comments about salary not > only put people off posting jobs but also influence who may want to apply > for them and in most cases salaries are offered in line with funds > available. > > Best wishes > Dawn > > Dawn Bonfield CEng FICE FIMMM FWES > Women's Engineering Society > Michael Faraday House,Six Hills Way > Stevenage, Herts. SG1 2AY > 01438 211403 > 07881905520 > [log in to unmask] > www.wes.org.uk > @wes1919 > ------------------------------ > From: Blackford, Sarah <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 30/11/2015 12:40 > > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Opportunity: Science communication project > management / admin University of Malta: Deadline 7 Dec > > I don’t usually comment on the comments on salaries on this list as I > appreciate the point people are making most of the time, however things are > starting to get a bit irksome with the continual posting of these kinds of > observations. I took the bother to look at equivalent costs of living in > Malta compared to the UK and you can see it is significantly lower than in > the UK: > http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Malta > as is the case with many other countries which offer a lower salary than > would be expected if one were living in London. > > > > To me, this looks like a great opportunity and it’s up to individuals to > decide whether they can accept the salary or not, set against the > experience they would receive. Unless this list instigates some kind of > policing which specifies a minimum salary and conditions of employment that > veto particular postings then we are bound to see an assortment of > opportunities being posted with high, low and no salaries. This would be > something for psci com to decide within the terms of its service to the > community and, hopefully, would cut down the proportion of salary-related > responses in 2016 and beyond. However, for me, this would be the only good > outcome to such a policy, as I much prefer an open forum which allows > people to assess and make up their own minds about job opportunities > according to what they consider to be best for their career advancement. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Sarah > > > > Sarah Blackford, BSc, MA CIEGHE > > Head of Education & Public Affairs > > Society for Experimental Biology > > Bailrigg House > > Lancaster LA1 4YE > > www.sebiology.org > > https://uk.linkedin.com/in/sarahblackford > > +44 1524 594850 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Edwin Colyer (Scientia Scripta) > *Sent:* 30 November 2015 11:48 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Job Opportunity: Science communication project > management / admin University of Malta: Deadline 7 Dec > > > > Just seen the salaries... they don't seem to correspond to the level of > experience you are asking for and I'm guessing probably don't fit the bill > for most of the people on this group (barely above the UK minimum wage). > > > > Edwin > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Edward Duca <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Apologies about any cross-posting. If science education or communication > interests you, at the University of Malta we are looking for someone with > EU project management and science communication event organisation > experience. 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