Hi Anne
I am a SEQOHS assessor, I think there are two different things here:
Firstly if I was an OH manager recruiting an OHA as part of a team, I would be looking at skills, experience, relevant CPD, eg spiro etc, as well as personality type, my belief is an OHA needs to be able to be impartial, stand up to difficult Managers etc. Therefore not necessarily SCPHN, to clarify that is my personal view.
SEQOHS is really about quality standards and I think it is easy to get tangled in complexities rather than see it as is - a way of improving quality in OH.
To look at the 2 domains you refer to:
C 1.1 An OHS must ensure that clinical staff are registered with the relevant regulatory body on the appropriate part(s) of its register(s)
This is about OH services having systems in place to ensure that the clinicians, Drs, nurses etc are appropriately registered, that the registration doesn't lapse for example. I believe you posted recently about the potential for a nurse to inadvertently lose registration.
C2.1 An OHS must employ at least one occupational health professional who has a qualification in occupational medicine or nursing - this is elaborated on as follows.
The names and qualifications of at least one nurse with a recognised qualification in Occupational Health Nursing from a UK University together with demonstrable experience.
In other words, as an RGN with no OH qualification working as an independent OH provider you could not get SEQOHS, but someone with an OH degree, could (SCPHN or not) - but with suitable experience, so they couldn't complete course one week, with no previous experience and gain SEQOHS the next week; again it is about ensuring adequate standards.
There is also the need to have access to a specialist OHP, I.e on specialist register, to ensure that suitable governance / advice etc is available as required.
Hope that helps?
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I agree, the SCPHN course is really not geared to providing a person with the appropriate skill level needed to be an efficient OHA
but what employer knows this. It is different if a nurse with practical OH skills and experience attends the SCPHN course then she has the overall knowledge but again I found it sadly lacking in relation to Occupational Health issues.
Rosemary
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I know a lot of us are very concerned that the SCPHN course is not OH specific enough and that it is increasing the risk of graduates with minimal OH experience working outside their scope of practice and without supervision. As the employer and employee
is relying on them thus exposes them to real risk also (legal included). I would rather more focused skills based training and if I was in a position to recruit that would be what I was looking for as I feel the SCPHN title is meaningless
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Carr
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Hi Anne,
I am an assessor for SEQOHS and we verify only that an OH qualification is in place. We do not look
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for me this will largely depend on the requirements of employers and insurers. If without NMC SCPHN it reduces my employment
opps and increases insurance then yes it becomes very important to me. NMC as a stand alone approval is always going to be important to me. This relates to the Code requirements and also stating this registration gives credibility an assurance to all
A great enquiry and good luck in collating views
Anna Harrington
SCPHN (OH) OHN RGN
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Dear List
I am canvassing opinions regarding how important NMC SCPHN registration is to OHN practitioners and OH Services. Your feedback is important.
There are some universities that have developed excellent courses which are totally focused on OH practice but do not confer SCPHN registration. Three MSc courses which are/were exemplars of this include Birmingham, Nottingham and Surrey. For many years the
Surrey Course was approved by the appropriate bodies for nursing education initially the ENB then NMC. A decision was then made not to gain such validation and the MSc was run with university validation but without NMC approval. This mean that it was not an
NMC approved SCPHN course. These courses are/were:
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totally focused on occupational health
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multi-disciplinary in nature: a range of professional groups accessed them including those practicing in medicine, nursing, health and safety and occupational hygiene.
The course content of SCPHN programmes are not all the same. The standards which must be met are very broad and are focused on public health but there is no requirement for specific OH content. It is possible to have a course which is totally focused on OH
issues and likewise it is possible to validate a course which is very public health focused but much with less OH content delivered in the classroom.
Laying my cards on the table if I had shortlisted two applicants for say a band 6 OHN post both had comparable OH practice experience one of whom held SCPHN registration with minimal OH specific content and the other held a qualification which is totally
OH focused, such as outlined in para 1 I would appoint the latter. There seems to be a common belief that it is a requirement of SEQOHS that there must be at least OHNs must be SCPHN.
https://www.seqohs.org/DocumentStore/fom_seqohs.pdf
The SEQOHS standards are not that specific, it seems to be that having SCPHN is how service managers interpret those standards. Are any JISC subscribers SEQOHS accreditors?
SEQOHS standards require that:
C 1.1 An OHS must ensure that clinical staff are registered with the relevant regulatory body on the appropriate part(s) of its register(s)
– I would take that to be a nurse who is registered on part one of the NMC register as an adult or mental health nurse, not a nurse who is qualified in paediatrics
C2.1 An OHS must employ at least one occupational health professional who has a qualification in occupational medicine or nursing - this is elaborated on as follows.
The names and qualifications of at least one nurse with a recognised qualification in Occupational Health Nursing from a UK University together with demonstrable experience. That qualification has to be recognised but the standards do not make it explicit that
it has to confer SCPHN registration. This calls into question the “Differing fields of practice” circular from the NMC which endorses a SCPHN registrant, eg an SN or HV moving into a differing field of practice with a minimum of 10 weeks of OH experience which
has to be signed off by a practice teacher discussed at some length earlier this year. See attached
Finally, as many of you will be aware there is current debate as to whether SCPHN is fit for purpose and the SCPHN register could be disestablished in the next few years. Would a degree focused on OH Nursing with NEBOSH accreditation and perhaps some form of
FOM approval should that be possible, but without NMC SCPHN approval be attractive to practitioners, OH services generally and services with SEQOHS in particular?
Your feedback would be gratefully received
Anne
Anne Harriss
Associate Professor and Course Director London South Bank University
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