medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Meg -- because chant was traditionally learnt by heart by the clergy, and we have no records of notation, let alone polyphony, before the early 9th century (this is why Giovanni Varelli's discovery is so spectacular). By the fourteen century polyphony came to be valued as something special, and angels singing polyphonically became fashionable for artists (see the Nativity by the Master of the St Lucy legend in the National Gallery in Washington, where we can read the music, a known Marian motet by Walter Frye, Ave regina celorum).

Bonnie

On 20/10/2015 18:23, Cormack, Margaret Jean wrote:
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Bonnie,

Please explain. Why do angels with choir books indicate polyphony?
Meg

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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture We can't be sure that they are singing polyphony (i.e. different melodies at the same time) rather than chant. When we see angels with choirbooks, then we know it is polyphonic.

Bonnie

On 20/10/2015 10:02, Laura Jacobus wrote:
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Colleagues might also enjoy these images of polyphonic singers (as far as I know, the first times polyphony has been depicted)- both at Assisi

http://uploads7.wikiart.org/images/giotto/st-francis-of-assisi-preparing-the-christmas-crib-at-grecchio-1300.jpg (from the Life of St. Francis)

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Simone_Martini_-_St._Martin_is_Knighted_(scene_3)_-_WGA21370.jpg (showing secular minstrels in corner- Simone Martini St. Martin Chapel- monastic singers are also shown in the Funeral of St Martin, though not obviously polyphonic) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Simone_Martini_-_Burial_of_St_Martin_(scene_10)_-_WGA21391.jpg


all best


Laura


Dr. Laura Jacobus
Senior Lecturer in History of Art
Birkbeck College, University of London

 
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Wonderful! Thank you, dear George –

John the Antipodean


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Dear medieval-religion colleagues,

It does the heart good to see that such major discoveries continue to be made. 

It’s from the early 900s (not 1900s, but 900s), and it’s a chant dedicated to St Boniface.


Best wishes, George
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